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Comment author: ygert 09 February 2014 05:43:43PM *  9 points [-]

Right. Many people use the word "utilitarianism" to refer to what is properly named "consequentialism". This annoys me to no end, because I strongly feel that true utilitarianism is a decoherent idea (it doesn't really work mathematically, if anyone wants me to explain further, I'll write a post on it.)

But when these terms are used interchangeably, it gives the impression that consequentialism is tightly bound to utilitarianism, which is strictly false. Consequentialism is a very useful and elegant moral meta-system. It should not be shouldered out by utilitarianism.

Comment author: hyporational 10 February 2014 06:55:38AM *  3 points [-]

it doesn't really work mathematically, if anyone wants me to explain further, I'll write a post on it.

Please do. I think it also would be valuable to refresh people's memories of the difference between utilitarianism and consequentialism, and to show many moral philosophies can fall under the latter.

Comment author: DanielLC 11 February 2014 10:30:58PM 0 points [-]

Many people use the word "utilitarianism" to refer to what is properly named "consequentialism".

I tend to do that.

What is the difference? According to Wikipedia, Egoism and Ethical Altruism are Consequentialist but not Utilitarian. I think it might have something to do with your utility function involving everyone equally, instead of ignoring you or ignoring everyone but you.

Comment author: AlexSchell 11 February 2014 04:25:10AM 0 points [-]

I strongly feel that true utilitarianism is a decoherent idea (it doesn't really work mathematically, if anyone wants me to explain further, I'll write a post on it.)

Because of interpersonal utility comparisons, or what? That might affect some forms of preference utilitarianism. Hedonistic and "objective welfare" varieties of utilitarianism seem like coherent views to me.