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Alejandro1 comments on Open Thread March 31 - April 7 2014 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: Alejandro1 01 April 2014 03:10:29AM 0 points [-]

Do the prisoners guess all at the same time, or in order (and thus after hearing finitely many other guesses)? If the second, is the guessing order known beforehand, or will it be at the whim of the guards?

Comment author: TsviBT 01 April 2014 03:24:07AM 1 point [-]

the prisoners receive no information other than the color of their fellow prisoners' hats

All at the same time. Solving the case with guessing in order is a good intermediate step.

Comment author: RolfAndreassen 01 April 2014 06:13:12AM 0 points [-]

With guessing in order, I observe that for every finite subset there are either an even or an odd number of red hats, and prisoner 1 can indicate which it is by his guess; then everyone in that subset can count the red hats and figure out which colour his own must be to make the total number even or odd. Let the size of the finite subset go to infinity.

Comment author: TsviBT 01 April 2014 03:20:40PM 4 points [-]

This is a good idea, and solves the similar problem with finitely many prisoners getting at most one guess incorrect. But...

Let the size of the finite subset go to infinity.

I don't see how this immediately gives a solution; any finite set of hats has either an even or an odd number of red hats, but an infinite set of hats may have an infinite number of red hats and an infinite number of black hats, and infinities are neither odd nor even.

Comment author: mwengler 01 April 2014 05:48:01PM 0 points [-]

Guessing in order with the other prisoners hearing these guesses would violate the stricture that the prisoners cannot communicate with each other.