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NancyLebovitz comments on Terminology Thread (or "name that pattern") - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: NancyLebovitz 03 July 2014 03:07:03PM 8 points [-]

Here's one that I don't think has a name-- the belief that [some desirable thing] should just happen. For example, the belief that people should just have different emotional reactions than they do, or that a government policy should just have good effects.

Comment author: gwern 03 July 2014 05:27:44PM 6 points [-]
Comment author: shminux 03 July 2014 06:21:20PM *  8 points [-]

Eliezer called this believing in the should-universe.

Incidentally, this expression is very intuitive and has an amazingly low inferential distance. Multiple times IRL and online I would reply to someone "it's too bad we don't live in a should-universe" in response to a should-statement, and my reply is instantly understood, without having to explain much, except maybe saying "the should-universe is an imaginary one where what you think should happen actually does, every time".

Comment author: sixes_and_sevens 03 July 2014 05:10:46PM 2 points [-]

Related notion: in the humongous SSC post Reactionary Philosophy in an Enormous Planet-Sized Nutshell, the section "Reach for the Tsars" deals with proposals to solve problems which could only be implemented by dictatorial fiat, and describes it as a "czar's-eye view" solution.

Comment author: polymathwannabe 03 July 2014 04:24:43PM 0 points [-]

Expecting different emotions than the ones actually observed looks to me like typical mind fallacy.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 03 July 2014 04:44:48PM 1 point [-]

It may be a typical mind fallacy if the person actually has the emotional habits they're demanding from other people. Now that I think about it, people sometimes demand that their own emotions should just be different.

However, a statement can include more than one fallacy, and I think fantasies of lack of process can also be in play.

The whole FAI project resulted from Eiiezer realizing that a process was needed for AIs to be benevolent rather than a disaster.

As may be obvious, I now think the bias could be named the lack of process bias, though the "it should just happen!" bias might be more intuitive.

Comment author: polymathwannabe 03 July 2014 05:14:08PM 1 point [-]

I was going to ask, "Do we ever demand emotional habits we don't have ourselves?", but then I noticed it was yet another typical mind fallacy on my part.