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Dagon comments on The Atheist's Tithe - Less Wrong Discussion

7 Post author: Alsadius 13 November 2014 05:22PM

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Comment author: Dagon 14 November 2014 08:18:50AM 5 points [-]

One data point for you: I'm not convinced.

Tithing is a mix of social cohesion and power enforcement for a single specific in-group (usually a religion). If you don't aspire to be a member of exactly one such group, or if the group doesn't claim exclusivity on your tithe, the 10% schelling point becomes meaningless. There's no awareness among your peers, so there's no social enforcement mechanism.

I also worry that this is straying a bit into dark arts: it's not about you making better decisions, and it's not about helping others make better decisions, it's about convincing others to follow your preferences.

Comment author: Alsadius 14 November 2014 03:33:47PM 0 points [-]

Spending habits are extraordinarily social, though. "Keeping up with the Joneses" is, by all accounts, how humans actually think and act, in terms of competitive goods(e.g., houses in good school districts) status goods(e.g., driving a Cadillac), and personal consumption goods(e.g., trying to have as much fun on your vacation as your friends did on theirs).

If you focus competition on only personal spending, and let charity wither away, then even if everyone is actually charitable(and data says that the vast majority are), most won't donate significant sums, because they're too committed to spending competitively on consumption.

Also, LW is a pretty in-groupy sort of place. I have no objection to starting small. I think it could in principle be expanded - the fact that charity was all given to the same recipient in church tithes does not seem essential to the process - but even if we make it a social norm among us and try to expand it to our friends, we'd be doing good work.