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Salemicus comments on Open thread, Dec. 1 - Dec. 7, 2014 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: Salemicus 05 December 2014 06:56:54PM 3 points [-]

I like how you ignore Russia's, um, internal problems at the time :-/

But those internal problems were largely caused by the hardships and stresses of losing the war. Similarly, the proximate cause of the German surrender in WW1 was "internal problems" in Germany (the revolutions in Kiel and Bavaria, etc) but those are inseparable from the fact that the hardships of the war and the psychological sense that Germany was losing put an intolerable strain on German morale. Loss of morale leading to institutional overthrow is often the mechanism by which countries collapse when at war.

Comment author: Lumifer 05 December 2014 07:50:47PM 0 points [-]

I agree that Russia lost WW1. What I don't agree with is that Germany "successfully conquered" Russia in 1917.

Comment author: Alsadius 05 December 2014 08:29:49PM 1 point [-]

Russia faced Germany and its allies, fought until the country collapsed, and then surrendered and gave up a massive chunk of land to secure an ignominious and punitive peace.

Germany faced France and its allies, fought until the country collapsed, and then surrendered and gave up a massive chunk of land to secure an ignominious and punitive peace.

I see no difference between the two.