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Lumifer comments on Open thread, Dec. 8 - Dec. 15, 2014 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: Lumifer 10 December 2014 09:13:36PM 6 points [-]

Which "change in policy" do Eric Garner protests aim to achieve? A rewriting of how indictment or grand juries work? Which "change in policy" did Occupy aim to achieve?

Comment author: protest_boy 11 December 2014 01:04:30AM 1 point [-]

I think that's one issue with protests. Many people gather with ill defined goals that are tangentially related to what most would agree is the actual problem. The "actual problem" for Occupy relates to unequal distribution of wealth, and the "actual problem" for the recent police brutality protests relates to systemic bias in the criminal justice system. I'm not sure if there actually is this sort of systemic bias, nor am I sure of the implicit claim that "things have gotten worse."

So, what do protests actually achieve, and is that effective in making things better? It seems that they do raise some level of awareness in the sense that more eye balls are on the issue for a short period of time. It's unclear to me that that's effective though, especially since it's a double edged sword. Raising awareness about the issue makes the negative externalities (like rioting and looting) more likely to be picked up and emphasized about the media.

Comment author: Lumifer 11 December 2014 01:08:01AM 3 points [-]

I'm not sure if there actually is this sort of systemic bias

A recent Yvain blog post might be helpful.