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shminux comments on Open thread, Dec. 8 - Dec. 15, 2014 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: shminux 11 December 2014 05:53:43PM 0 points [-]

It's like you didn't read my reply...

Comment author: ChristianKl 11 December 2014 11:47:56PM -1 points [-]

As far as I understand some form of consequentialism is the default ethical system on LW.

If the action has positive consequences, why should it be unethical?

Comment author: shminux 12 December 2014 12:01:26AM *  4 points [-]

I don't think (even) in consequentialism you include unforeseeable consequences into the ethical assessment of an agent. If someone plans to kill their neighbor but instead their polonium-laden coffee turned the neighbor into spider-man, they are still just as immoral, even if the act itself can be retroactively deemed good. You might even hail the agent for helping save the human race from the evil Doctor Octopus, but you certainly would not want to be their neighbor, no matter how consequentialist you are.

Comment author: ChristianKl 12 December 2014 12:28:09AM 1 point [-]

The streisand effect is not a unforeseeable consequence.

Comment author: shminux 12 December 2014 03:18:04AM 3 points [-]

True, but then if it was foreseen and used intentionally to bolster Lewin's viewership, then the ethics of the administration is even more questionable. Also, it feels like you are now arguing for the sake of arguing.

Comment author: ChristianKl 12 December 2014 12:13:07PM 0 points [-]

I don't think it makes sense to do things for a single reason. It's better to look at the likely effects of a decision and then decide whether or not you want to go the road that leads there.

It's still punishment for Lewin to stop hosting his videos. It's likely perceived by Lewin that way. It's perceived by the media as a symbol for it. All the social justice people feel good because of the symbolic act. It still puts the video outside of MIT.