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James_Miller comments on Open thread Jan. 5-11, 2015 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: James_Miller 06 January 2015 09:11:57PM 1 point [-]

Possibly not if universes fined-tuned for life but not the Fermi paradox are dominated by paperclip maximizers or the post-singularity lifeforms in these universes turn themselves into something we wouldn't consider "individuals" while also preventing new civilizations from arising.

Comment author: lmm 06 January 2015 10:47:16PM 3 points [-]

It only takes a few universes where that doesn't happen to mess with those numbers. Or to put it another way, fine-tuning for the existence of individuals seems like a smaller amount of fine-tuning than fine-tuning for the Fermi paradox.

Comment author: James_Miller 06 January 2015 11:13:29PM 2 points [-]

In universes not fine-tuned for the Fermi paradox, the more fine-tuned for life the universe is, the sooner some civilization will arise that expands at the maximum possible speed devouring all the resources in its expansion path, which limits the number of civilizations like ours that can arise in any universe not fine-tuned for the Fermi paradox. Part of being fine-tuned for life might, therefore, be being fined-tuned for the Fermi paradox. (But you are raising excellent counterarguments to an issue I greatly care about so thanks!)