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Comment author: babblefish 18 January 2015 04:14:24AM 6 points [-]

Hey...

I'm new here. Hi.

I was recently re-reading the original blogs (e-reader form and all that), and noticed a comment by Eliezer something to the effect of "Someone should really write 'The simple mathematics of everything' ".

I would like to write that thing.

I'm currently starting my PhD in mathematics, with several relevant side interests (physics, computing, evolutionary biology, story telling), and the intention of teaching/lecturering one day.

Now... If someone's already got this project sorted out (it has been a few years), great... however I notice that the wiki originally started for it is looking a little sad, (diffusion of responsibility perhaps).

So... if the project HAS NOT been sorted out yet, then I'd be interested in taking a crack at it: It'll be good writing/teaching practice for me, and give me an excuse to read up on the subjects I HAVEN'T got yet, and it'll hopefully end up being a useful resource for other people by the time I'm finished (and hopefully even when I'm under way)

I was hoping I could get a few questions answered while I'm here: 1) Has "the simple mathematics of everything" already been taken care of? If so, where? 2) Does anyone know what wiki/blog formats might be useful (and free maybe?) and ABLE TO SUPPORT EQUATION. 3) Any other comments/advice/whatever?

Cheers, Babblefish.

Comment author: Viliam_Bur 20 January 2015 08:37:22AM *  8 points [-]

Any other comments/advice/whatever?

I think I have noticed a frequent failure pattern when people try writing about complicated stuff. It goes like this:

  • Article #1: in which I describe the wide range of stuff I plan to handle in this series of articles
  • Article #2: introduction
  • Article #3: even more introduction, since the introduction from the previous article didn't seem enough
  • Article #4: reaction to some comments in the previous articles
  • Article #5: explaining some misunderstandings in comments in the previous articles
  • Article #6 ...I am already burned out, so this never gets written

Instead, this is what seems like a successful pattern:

  • Article #1: if this is the only article I will write, what part of the stuff could I explain
  • Article #2: if this is the only article I will write for the audience of article #1, what else could I explain
  • Article #3: if this is the only article I will write for the audience of articles #1+2, what else could I explain...

Seems to me that Eliezer followed the latter pattern when writing Sequences. There is no part saying "this will make sense to you only after you read the following chapters I haven't written yet". But there are parts heavily linking the previous articles, when they advance the concepts already explained. The outline can be posted after the articles were written, like this.

I understand the temptation of posting the outline first, but that's a huge promise you shouldn't make unless you are really confident you can fulfill it. Before answering this, read about the planning fallacy, etc. On the other hand, with incremental writing you have complete freedom, and you can also stop at any moment without regrets. Even if you know you are going to write about A, B, C, and you feel pretty certain you can do it, I would still recommend starting with A1 instead of introduction.

Comment author: Vaniver 20 January 2015 06:54:50PM 0 points [-]

Seems to me that Eliezer followed the latter pattern when writing Sequences.

I'm not sure that Eliezer outlined the posts in order- he did mention at some point wanting to explain X, but realizing that in order to explain X he needed to explain W, and in order to explain W...

I understand the temptation of posting the outline first, but that's a huge promise you shouldn't make unless you are really confident you can fulfill it.

Agreed. One of the ways I've worked around this is to not post the start of a sequence until it's mostly done (I have the second post to this sequence fully finished, and the third post ~2/3rds finished). I'm not sure I'd recommend it- if you find the shame of leaving something unfinished motivating, it's probably better to post the early stuff early. (I let that particular sequence sit for months without editing it.)