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Dagon comments on Social prerequisites of rationality - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: Dagon 24 March 2015 06:44:55PM 2 points [-]

I'm not sure I agree. the requirements of rationality are personal, not social (I think), and they're more general than you propose.

You must believe there is a reality, and you must believe that at least some of it is consistent with observation, and you must believe you can make choices that change your future experiences.

Also, I'm not sure I agree with your implication that rationality for others is an end goal for me (though it is an instrumental goal for many of the things I like), nor that it justifies trying to change their culture to support/encourage it.

Comment author: [deleted] 25 March 2015 08:22:56AM 0 points [-]

Feeling empowered (feeling you are able to affect and change things) is perfectly personal, but coming from social conditions.

and you must believe you can make choices that change your future experiences

That is empowerment.

Comment author: Dagon 25 March 2015 05:50:48PM 1 point [-]

That is empowerment.

"empowerment" usually carries a lot more implications about the kind of choices and experiences that one can expect. I mean it only in the small sense.

The actual requirements of rationality are that one must be sentient and motile.