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Comment author: James_Miller 31 March 2015 01:59:18PM *  5 points [-]

My dentist causes me pain, so why don't I hate him? The rational part of my brain certainly has no reason to hate him, but the emotional, caveman part does. My model of myself would predict that my emotional brain would generate feelings of dislike for my dentist that my rational part would suppress, yet there is nothing to suppress. Do other people respond this way as well? If so, what's the cause?

Comment author: Dahlen 31 March 2015 04:40:15PM 9 points [-]

You should give more credit to the emotional part of your brain :) It's not that stupid. There's a little extra something in-between the pain and the person causing it, that triggers the reaction of hatred against the person -- probably the expectation of hostile intentions. It's likely not a simple two-item person+pain=hatred association arc; even our emotional selves know this.

Comment author: 4hodmt 03 April 2015 03:37:51PM 2 points [-]

Further evidence for this: people often become good friends with sparring partners in combat sports.

Comment author: emr 03 April 2015 11:58:06PM 1 point [-]

Even a dog knows the difference between being kicked and being stumbled over.

-- Oliver W. Holmes

Comment author: fubarobfusco 04 April 2015 02:32:30AM 1 point [-]

Dogs have been specifically bred for many thousands of years to respond to human signals.

(So have humans.)

Comment author: sixes_and_sevens 31 March 2015 02:50:45PM 5 points [-]

I don't hate my dentist either, but I do put off seeing him.

Comment author: Lumifer 31 March 2015 02:49:34PM 4 points [-]

I think that's because you have control -- you choose yourself whether to go to the dentist or not (and you can stop and leave at any time), so the dentist is seen as an NPC and not as an independent agent.

Comment author: James_Miller 31 March 2015 04:14:11PM 4 points [-]

Interesting, since I have unwanted anger towards my computer when it causes me bother, I should try to think of my computer as an NPC.

Comment author: Douglas_Knight 01 April 2015 06:25:34AM 2 points [-]

Aren't you aware that it's a cliche that people do hate their dentists?

(Not that I recall anyone in particular claiming to hate their dentist.)

Comment author: ChristianKl 31 March 2015 02:26:13PM 2 points [-]

Would you allow someone you hate to take a drill to your teeth? It's needs a lot of trust. The fact that you go into a situation where you have to trust very strongly leaves little room for hating the dentist.

Comment author: James_Miller 31 March 2015 04:04:30PM -1 points [-]

Yes if my emotional brain hated everyone, including my dentist, who caused me pain.

Comment author: RichardKennaway 31 March 2015 09:41:31PM 0 points [-]

Yes if my emotional brain hated everyone, including my dentist, who caused me pain.

But you say it doesn't do that. So I am not clear what your point is.

Comment author: James_Miller 31 March 2015 10:51:40PM 0 points [-]

I was asked the question "Would you allow someone you hate to take a drill to your teeth?" My answer is that I can imagine under certain circumstances.

Comment author: RichardKennaway 01 April 2015 06:04:30AM 1 point [-]

My answer is that I can imagine under certain circumstances.

One can imagine almost anything under certain circumstances.

Comment author: RichardKennaway 31 March 2015 02:15:52PM 1 point [-]

My dentist causes me pain, so why don't I hate him?

The obvious answer is that you want him to do the work that is required on your teeth, and the pain is merely a necessary discomfort that is worth enduring.

My model of myself would predict that my emotional brain would generate feelings of dislike for my dentist that my rational part would suppress, yet there is nothing to suppress.

You have observed that your model is faulty. You should therefore update it. What is the problem?

Do other people respond this way as well?

I do not.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 31 March 2015 10:46:43PM 0 points [-]

What's your dentist's emotional style like?

Comment author: James_Miller 31 March 2015 10:49:43PM 0 points [-]

No idea, plus I've had three dentists in the last decade. The first one die, and the second one retired.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 31 March 2015 11:02:01PM 1 point [-]

I was thinking that if your dentist gives the impression that he's competent and careful, you're more likely to not blame him for causing you pain.