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Comment author: [deleted] 02 April 2015 07:58:19AM 0 points [-]

Why should it be good for society if the average student learns military stuff?

Let's put it it this way: a culture that either still has or only recently eliminated conscription would see it as a good thing to be a bit prepared for that.

The problem with teaching ethics is that most well intentioned attempts at teaching ethics don't do much.

Don't help much with instinctive decision-making, but there are other things, such as long-term planning.

Comment author: ChristianKl 02 April 2015 08:13:31AM 0 points [-]

Let's put it it this way: a culture that either still has or only recently eliminated conscription would see it as a good thing to be a bit prepared for that.

Training people with guns has effects that go beyond just being useful in the case of war.

Don't help much with instinctive decision-making, but there are other things, such as long-term planning.

How do ethic courses help with long-term planning?

Comment author: [deleted] 02 April 2015 09:49:27AM 0 points [-]

I am confused how even guns come here. I hope you don't imagine a military as a hunter band where personal weapons are the most important aspect. Rather it is largely about installing a hivemind, overcoming chaos and what I had in mind is scout / pioneer kind of stuff which can be seen as a premilitary.

How do ethic courses help with long-term planning?

Such as choosing professions for prestige vs. social utility / altruism value. Even though ethics courses cannot override instinctive feelings they ought to have an effect on carefully thought out plans like this. If you spend hours and hours wondering whether pimping around an BMW X7 should be one of your long-time goals or not, perhaps something a teacher said about zero-sum goals may have an effect.

Comment author: ChristianKl 02 April 2015 01:37:54PM 2 points [-]

Even though ethics courses cannot override instinctive feelings they ought to have an effect on carefully thought out plans like this.

Why?

If you spend hours and hours wondering whether pimping around an BMW X7 should be one of your long-time goals or not, perhaps something a teacher said about zero-sum goals may have an effect.

Did you change anyone's plans considering buying a BMW X7 by telling them about zero-sum games?

Comment author: drethelin 05 April 2015 07:49:27PM 0 points [-]

Just because a game is zero sum in total does not make it irrational for an individual to compete. That in fact is the big problem.