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Comment author: Elo 15 July 2015 08:40:09PM * 2 points [-]

I thought the trolley experiment didn't actually have a known best-case solution? I thought the point of it was to state that one human life is not always worth less than N other human lives. Where N>0.

Confused as to why we are evaluating a "test" for the test's sake, and complaining about the test results when the only point of it was to make an analogy to real life weights.

Comment author: Lumifer 15 July 2015 08:55:25PM 6 points [-]

I thought the trolley experiment didn't actually have a known best-case solution

There is no "solution", but the point of the study is "substantial framing effects and order effects", that is, people gave different answers depending on how the same question was framed or what preceded it.

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Comment author: ChristianKl 17 July 2015 09:39:41AM 3 points [-]

That's not framing and order effects.

An order effect would be whether you see a difference between "save one family member vs 10 strangers" and "save 10 strangers vs one family member".

Comment author: Elo 20 July 2015 03:09:36AM 0 points [-]

I see what I did. Also note that framing includes, "save one family member, kill ten strangers" or "kill one family member or save ten strangers", "kill one family member or kill ten strangers" vs "save one family member or save ten strangers"

Thanks!

Comment author: hyporational 16 July 2015 10:43:20PM * 3 points [-]

That's really not what is meant by framing in this context.

Comment author: Elo 20 July 2015 02:54:56AM 1 point [-]

Thanks! I must have got confused with the words. The link has a typo but I worked out my mistake.

Comment author: hyporational 20 July 2015 08:51:45AM * 0 points [-]

Thanks for informing about the typo. LW doesn't understand brackets in links, had to put a backlash in the closing bracket and embed the link in the text to get a working link.

Words can be very tricky. If you want to learn a more general lesson of where that mistake might have come from, you might find this series of posts interesting.

Comment author: Elo 20 July 2015 10:28:00PM 1 point [-]

yes, its explained in the formatting help that a / is needed to symbolise where that symbol is not used as a formatting symbol.

Thanks for the link, my confusion (and mistake) sits in my memory which connected the word meanings to simpler concepts to make them easier to know and store. In fact - I was so sure that the confusion was with the situation and not with me; that I automatically asked before challenging my existing knowledge. I mean - its just framing right? :P

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