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Comment author: NancyLebovitz 24 August 2015 04:21:28PM 4 points [-]

I have an impression that conscientiousness feels like an outside force. Instead of "I choose to tidy up/proofread my writing/tip the server", it's more like "the situation requires that I do the right thing".

Does this match other people's experience? Does conscientiousness feel more like an outside force than other behaviors?

Comment author: Tem42 24 August 2015 11:52:56PM 2 points [-]

Often, yes, but this is highly dependent on the task -- and sometimes the sub-task. For example, when writing finding the correct word for an idea is motivating, but proofreading for spelling is a chore. I can name a good number of tasks that I do because I am internally motivated, including looking up definitions, washing my hair, organizing my bookshelves, making checklists and flowcharts, grocery shopping, gardening... but just as many (and probably more) that I don't do unless I really feel I need to because it is expected of me.

I think that part of this is that unmotivating tasks tend to stick in your mind as always present and demanding, but the things you enjoy doing are all too fleeting. It is also possible that you are unconsciously defining conscientiousness as "things you should do but don't want to", in which case by definition they will require an external force.

Comment author: RichardKennaway 02 September 2015 07:42:48AM 0 points [-]

To me these are much the same thing. I am one with the situation. When I clearly see what is necessary, the action follows.

At least, that's the ideal, which I don't claim to always achieve.

Comment author: PhilGoetz 27 August 2015 12:45:08PM 0 points [-]

I might not understand what you mean by conscientiousness. The things that most feel like things I must do are going to bed and getting up. Are they conscientiousness?

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 27 August 2015 04:37:10PM 1 point [-]

I'll tentatively define conscientiousness as orderly behavior, especially such behavior which is intended to prevent medium-to-low probability bad consequences.

Why do you feel you have to go to bed and get up?

Comment author: PhilGoetz 28 August 2015 03:25:28AM 0 points [-]

What would be an example of disorderly behavior? I think all behavior is ordered.

I have to go to bed because otherwise I'll be very tired tomorrow. I have to get up because I have stuff to do. I hate going to bed and I hate getting up.

Comment author: VoiceOfRa 29 August 2015 07:45:23PM 4 points [-]

What would be an example of disorderly behavior?

I'm not tired yet, so I won't go to bed. Just one more web video. etc.

Comment author: BrassLion 26 August 2015 01:41:37AM 0 points [-]

This is exactly how conscientiousness feels to me - not wanting to do something but doing so because it's the Correct Action For This Situation. Generally, this applies to things that don't give me a direct, immediate benefit to do, like cleaning up after myself in a common space.

Comment author: PhilGoetz 24 August 2015 10:13:57PM 0 points [-]

I don't think so... probably less so than other behaviors, in fact.

Comment author: Lumifer 27 August 2015 04:43:48PM 0 points [-]

In Freudian terms, conscientiousness is very straightforward: in involves putting the lid on your id and doing what the superego tells you.