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moridinamael comments on Typical Sneer Fallacy - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: moridinamael 02 September 2015 02:18:53AM 0 points [-]

I see. I think we are both right. Understanding the motives of the speaker is indeed crucial to actually accepting the criticism. My assertion is that objectively considering motives is practically impossible when you haven't installed the habit of recognizing criticism and pressing "pause" on your response.

If Bob isn't really bothered by the criticism that his breath smells, then he'll have no trouble stepping back and considering why Sally said that. Maybe the bad breath example is too specific - replace it with something that it would genuinely upset you to hear. Or maybe you're more sanguine than me, and criticism doesn't bother you much in general. Criticism does get under my skin. When I'm caught off guard by it, it's already too late for me to analyze the speaker's motives, because my analysis is really just a hasty search for reasons why they're wrong. I think this is the general phenomenon that is the topic of this post.

Comment author: Lumifer 02 September 2015 02:44:41AM *  1 point [-]

Or maybe you're more sanguine than me, and criticism doesn't bother you much in general.

I don't know about sanguine, but I'm probably more thick-skinned than you. I'm not bothered much by criticism.

Maybe I'm fighting the hypothetical, but in your example my first instinct would be not to get defensive, but try to figure out what is going on. Usually there are many ways to express the same idea and the way chosen matters. I could be assuming a too Guess culture, but such a bald statement by Sally looks like a breach of etiquette and those usually have reasons. It all depends on the context, of course, but my default inclination would be to suspect that Sally is bothered by something other than my dental hygiene.

But maybe I'm a bad example -- I don't react to criticism by going into a fight-or-flight mode.