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Gram_Stone comments on Open thread, Sep. 21 - Sep. 27, 2015 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: Gram_Stone 25 September 2015 09:41:28PM 0 points [-]

This isn't far off from how Nordic prisons work. And they have amazing crime statistics.

Comment author: Lumifer 25 September 2015 11:23:02PM 3 points [-]

This isn't far off from how Nordic prisons work.

This is VERY far from Nordic prisons.

For example, note that the proposal puts everyone into permanent solitary confinement and assumes that playing a MMORG in VR glasses is sufficient to satisfy all needs for human interaction.

Comment author: Gram_Stone 25 September 2015 11:38:09PM -1 points [-]

Given this:

I am vaguely derisive because one doesn't spend too much time disproving claims that a rainbow-producing perpetuum mobile strapped to a unicorn will convert the entire world into a happy place

it seemed like you were scoffing at not punishing prisoners as opposed to scoffing at the VR; that's what I was addressing.

Comment author: Lumifer 25 September 2015 11:39:47PM -1 points [-]

I was scoffing at the OP's map being hilariously far away from territory -- in more than one aspect.

Comment author: Gram_Stone 26 September 2015 12:27:28AM -1 points [-]

That seems unnecessarily cryptic. Are you really a retributive justice kind of guy? Do you really think punishment is the way to go? How do you fit the Nordic example into your map?

Comment author: Lumifer 26 September 2015 12:38:52AM 0 points [-]

I did not intend to be cryptic and I don't see what any of that has to do with punishment. The proposal is funny stoopid not because it picks a particular approach to incarceration -- but because it makes assumptions that are very far away from reality.

It's like attempting to deal with poverty in Africa by air-dropping an iPad for everyone and going "now that they are plugged into the global information economy, they would rapidly lift themselves to the first-world level".