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Lumifer comments on Open thread, Sep. 21 - Sep. 27, 2015 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: Lumifer 28 September 2015 11:48:33PM 1 point [-]

And it used to be forbidden

Yep. I have no wish to go back to those times.

Comment author: VoiceOfRa 29 September 2015 12:04:19AM 0 points [-]

Yep. I have no wish to go back to those times.

Any particular reason? General belief that all change is progress and hence good? A dislike of stable marriages?

Comment author: Lumifer 29 September 2015 12:11:17AM 4 points [-]

Any particular reason?

I'm a very big fan of freedom defined as "ability to make meaningful choices".

Specifically with respect to divorce, I think that its absence makes for stable marriages where two people hate each other. Sometimes loudly and violently, sometimes subtly and poisonously.

Comment author: VoiceOfRa 06 October 2015 02:59:18AM 0 points [-]

I'm a very big fan of freedom defined as "ability to make meaningful choices".

Even if those choices ultimately lead to less freedom as society is forced to deal with the resulting mess?

Comment author: Lumifer 06 October 2015 05:31:15PM -1 points [-]

I am also a big fan of NOT black-and-white worlds.

"Ultimately lead to less freedom" -- how do you know that? Can you show me some probability distribution of outcomes? How certain are you of it? What is the probability that you are making a sign error?

At the moment all I see is mood affiliation.

Comment author: VoiceOfRa 12 October 2015 09:11:31PM -1 points [-]

"Ultimately lead to less freedom" -- how do you know that?

Broken homes means the government winds up having to resolve issues that should have been dealt with in-family, e.g., now the government must decide a lot more child custody disputes. Not to mention that children growing up in broken homes are likely to wind up on welfare and other government assistance.

Comment author: Lumifer 12 October 2015 11:40:11PM 0 points [-]

I am entirely unconvinced.

children growing up in broken homes are likely to wind up on welfare and other government assistance.

Is that true for normal-IQ reasonably financially successful (former) families? I don't think so.

Comment author: VoiceOfRa 18 October 2015 09:32:26PM -2 points [-]

What do you consider "normal"-IQ and "reasonably" financially successful? Yes, high IQ and wealth can mitigate the problems of growing up in a broken home. However, putting most below-average IQ people on welfare is no something that is compatible with maintaining a high-freedom state.

Comment author: Lumifer 19 October 2015 03:41:53PM 0 points [-]

This slo-mo poking isn't terribly exciting. Do you have a position you want to take, maybe quote some facts in its support? It's not like this discussion will affect real-life policies, so can we at least make it a bit more interesting?