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Comment author: NancyLebovitz 28 September 2015 08:15:01PM 0 points [-]

I should have been clearer-- I find it very plausible that people whose parents had an unhappy marriage are more likely to have trouble getting started on relationships, but that's what I find plausible, not what I have evidence for.

Comment author: Lumifer 28 September 2015 08:34:49PM 3 points [-]

I find it very plausible that people whose parents had an unhappy marriage are more likely to have trouble getting started on relationships

I don't know. I find it very plausible that children of bad marriages would have trouble creating and maintaining a stable and happy relationship, but I'm not sure about just starting a relationship.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 28 September 2015 09:04:14PM 1 point [-]

Part of the situation is that people are under less pressure to start relationships (less likely to deal with parents who are demanding grandchildren), and that they're in a social environment where it's easier to turn people down. Even a slight flinch reaction at the idea of starting a relationship is going to raise the threshold effort.

I'll track down the link if it's wanted, but there was a piece by a woman from the UK who decided to accept every date that was offered to her. It turned out that a lot of men had no plans for the date-- they'd say "whatever you want to do". Admittedly, this isn't a formal survey, but I wonder whether it's an indication of a lot of men who aren't actually enthusiastic about dating.

Comment author: ChristianKl 02 October 2015 07:38:42PM 0 points [-]

It turned out that a lot of men had no plans for the date-- they'd say "whatever you want to do". Admittedly, this isn't a formal survey, but I wonder whether it's an indication of a lot of men who aren't actually enthusiastic about dating.

I don't think offering a woman the choice of what the date is about indicates lack of enthusiasm of going to a date with the woman.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 02 October 2015 10:34:58PM -1 points [-]

It might be a matter of tone, but I'd rather hear at least an offer of a plan with room for other suggestions rather than no plan.

Comment author: ChristianKl 03 October 2015 10:38:03AM 0 points [-]

There are two different issues:
1) What does the woman prefer.
2) What does this behavior signal about the guy.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 03 October 2015 02:28:31PM -1 points [-]

The thing is "signal" is at least a two place verb-- it probably needs more places because there are a large number of people involved.

I may have just acquired signal as a word to be sensitive to-- signals have to be interpreted, so just saying something is being signaled leaves out altogether too much variation in many cases.

Comment author: skeptical_lurker 28 September 2015 08:27:23PM 1 point [-]

I agree, that does sound plausible, both genetically and psychologically.

Comment author: FrameBenignly 29 September 2015 05:56:49AM *  0 points [-]

Behavioral genetics has only found weak effects from parenting (shared environment). While the nature of the research only allows for detecting large effects, and I doubt your specific argument has been studied, I generally assume such selection effects are weak unless there is evidence to indicate otherwise.

Edit: Unless you're arguing that if someone's parents are naturally bad at relationships, they too will be bad at relationships, but since whether a marriage is good or bad is generally more complex than that I don't think that's what you're arguing.