so you can conclude that while some religion must be correct, we don't know which one.
Sorry, under the helpless approach you cannot conclude anything, much less on the basis of something as complex as a cross-cultural comparative religion analysis. If you are helpless, you do what people around you do and think what people around you think. The end.
I quite like Eliezer's suggestion of using the question of MWI as a test for rationality
Oh-oh. I'm failing this test hard.
Besides, are you quite sure that you want to make an untestable article of faith with zero practical consequences the criterion for rationality? X-/
But if I lived in a world where most people believed the holocaust is a hoax ... I'm pretty sure I would be a holocaust denier.
That's an argument against the helpless view, right? It sure looks this way.
Well, most of the time, you're going to notice.
Well, yes, I'm going to notice and I generally have little trouble figuring out who's stupid and who is smart. But that's me and my personal opinion. You, on the other hand, are setting this up as a generally applicable rule. The problem is who decides. Let's say I talk a bit to Charlie and decide that Charlie is stupid. Charlie, on the basis of the same conversation, decides that I'm stupid. Who's right? I have my opinion, and Charlie has his opinion, and how do we resolve this without pulling out IQ tests and equivalents?
It's essentially a power and control issue: who gets to separate people into elite and masses?
Do you mean 'noticeably higher IQ' than I have?
In your setup there is the Arbiter -- in your case, yourself -- who decides whether someone is smart (and so is allowed to use the independent approach) or stupid (and so must be limited to the helpless approach). This Arbiter has a certain level of IQ. Can the Arbiter judge the smartness/rationality of someone with noticeably higher IQ than the Arbiter himself?
Sorry, under the helpless approach you cannot conclude anything, much less on the basis of something as complex as a cross-cultural comparative religion analysis. If you are helpless, you do what people around you do and think what people around you think. The end.
It seems like we are thinking of two different views, then. Let's keep the name 'helpless view' for mine and call yours 'straw helpless view'.
The idea behind helpless view is that you're very irrational in many ways. Which ways?
You're biased in favor of your ingroups and your culture. This f
I've known for a long time that some people who are very close to me are somewhat inclined to believe the pseudoscience world, but it always seemed pretty benign. In their everyday lives they're pretty normal people and don't do any crazy things, so this was a topic I mostly avoided and left it at that. After all - they seemed to find psychological value in it. A sense of control over their own lives, a sense of purpose, etc.
Recently I found out however that at least one of them seriously believes Bruce Lipton, who in essence preaches that happy thoughts cure cancer. Now I'm starting to get worried...
Thus I'm wondering - what can I do about it? This is in essence a religious question. They believe this stuff with just anecdotal proof. How do I disprove it without sounding like "Your religion is wrong, convert to my religion, it's right"? Pseudoscientists are pretty good at weaving a web of lies that sound quite logical and true.
The one thing I've come up with is to somehow introduce them to classical logical fallacies. That at least doesn't directly conflict with their beliefs. But beyond that I have no idea.
And perhaps more important is the question - should I do anything about it? The pseudoscientific world is a rosy one. You're in control of your life and your body, you control random events, and most importantly - if you do everything right, it'll all be OK. Even if I succeed in crushing that illusion, I have nothing to put in its place. I'm worried that revealing just how truly bleak the reality is might devastate them. They seem to be drawing a lot of their happiness from these pseudoscientific beliefs, either directly or indirectly.
And anyway, more likely that I won't succeed but just ruin my (healthy) relationship with them. Maybe it's best just not to interfere at all? Even if they end up hurting themselves, well... it was their choice. Of course, that also means that I'll be standing idly by and allowing bullshit to propagate, which is kinda not a very good thing. However right now they are not very pushy about their beliefs, and only talk about them if the topic comes up naturally, so I guess it's not that bad.
Any thoughts?