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Comment author: cousin_it 21 October 2015 12:56:00PM *  4 points [-]

Thanks to Turing completeness, there might be many possible worlds whose basic physics are much simpler than ours, but that can still support evolution and complex computations. Why aren't we in such a world? Some possible answers:

1) Luck

2) Our world has simple physics, but we haven't figured it out

3) Anthropic probabilities aren't weighted by simplicity

4) Evolution requires complex physics

5) Conscious observers require complex physics

Anything else? Any guesses which one is right?

Comment author: solipsist 05 December 2015 06:03:58PM *  2 points [-]

Other answers I've considered:

o) Simpler universes are more likely, but complicated universes vastly outnumber simple ones. It's rare to be at the mode, even though the mode is the most common place to be.

p) Beings in simple universes don't ask this question because their universe is simple. We are asking this question, therefore we are not in a simple universe.

2') You don't spend time pondering questions you can quickly answer. If you discover yourself thinking about a philosophy problem, you should expect to be on the stupider end of entities capable of thinking about that problem.

Comment author: IlyaShpitser 24 October 2015 10:30:36PM *  1 point [-]

n) The world is optimized for good theatre, not simplicity.

Comment author: lmm 24 October 2015 05:44:39PM 0 points [-]

My guess is #2.

Comment author: Manfred 21 October 2015 07:30:05PM *  0 points [-]

I'm of the opinion that there isn't going to be a satisfactory answer. It's true that the complexity of our universe makes it more likely that there's some special explanation, but sometimes things just happen. Why am I the me on October 21, and not the me on some other day? Well, it's a hard job, but someone's got to do it.

Comment author: cousin_it 22 October 2015 02:29:23PM *  0 points [-]

That's #1. It would be good to know exactly how lucky we got, though.

Comment author: Dagon 21 October 2015 02:55:36PM 0 points [-]

How do #1 and #3 differ? I think both are "yes, there are many such worlds - we happen to be in this one".

Comment author: polymathwannabe 21 October 2015 04:54:01PM *  1 point [-]

It doesn't sound impossible that anthropic probabilities are weighted by simplicity and we're lucky.

Comment author: Dagon 21 October 2015 07:11:27PM 0 points [-]

Hmm. I think "we're lucky" implies "probabilities are irrelevant for actual results", so it obsoletes #3.

Comment author: cousin_it 21 October 2015 07:42:40PM *  1 point [-]

I think "we're lucky" vs "simplicity is irrelevant" affects how much undiscovered complexity in physics we should expect.