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gjm comments on Open thread, Nov. 16 - Nov. 22, 2015 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: gjm 17 November 2015 04:34:02PM 25 points [-]

Nice.

To fight back against terrible terminology from the other side (i.e., producing rather than consuming) I suggest a commitment to refuse to say "Type I error" or "Type II error" and always say "false positive" or "false negative" instead.

Comment author: twanvl 18 November 2015 10:33:27AM 1 point [-]

I find "false positive" and "false negative" also a bit confusing, albeit less so than "type I" and "type II" errors. Perhaps because of a programming background, I usually interpret 'false' and 'negative' (and '0') as the same thing. So is a 'false positive' something that is false but is mistaken as positive, or something that is positive (true), but that is mistaken as false (negative)? In other words, does 'false' apply to the postiveness (it is actually negative, but classified as positive), to being classified as positive (it is actually positive, but classified as positive)?

Perhaps we should call false positives "spurious" and false negatives "missed".

Comment author: gjm 18 November 2015 11:24:29AM 3 points [-]

Huh. That never occurred to me (even though I spend a lot of my days writing code too).

In case you're expressing actual uncertainty rather than merely what your brain gets confused about, the answer is that a false positive is something that falsely looks positive. Perhaps the best way to put it is different, though: a false positive is a positive result of your test (so it actually is a positive) that doesn't match the underlying reality. Like a "false alarm".

Comment author: philh 18 November 2015 10:35:29AM 0 points [-]

Now that I know which is which, this will be very slightly harder for me than it used to be.