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Dagon comments on Dark Arts: Defense in Reputational Warfare - Less Wrong Discussion

1 Post author: OrphanWilde 03 December 2015 03:03PM

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Comment author: Dagon 07 December 2015 04:42:37PM 3 points [-]

Defense follows different rules than attack. In defense, you aren't trying to inflict wounds, you're trying to avoid them. Ending the fight quickly is paramount to this.

What? This is counter to most of what I know about conflict. Attack and defense are inseparable. Your goals include stopping the fight quickly with as high a reputation as possible at the end. Increasing your status is as important as not letting your status be reduced (except for small declining-utility effects). Making your attacker seem low-status to the audience (aka the territory under dispute) is absolutely a useful tactic.

In fact, as long as we're talking dark arts, seeking out weak attackers can make you look strong to some groups.

Comment author: OrphanWilde 07 December 2015 09:17:37PM -1 points [-]

What? This is counter to most of what I know about conflict. Attack and defense are inseparable.

So, what, running away isn't an option?

Comment author: VoiceOfRa 08 December 2015 05:18:44AM 2 points [-]

So this was supposed to be the "surrender to the the dark arts" article?

Comment author: OrphanWilde 08 December 2015 03:23:52PM -2 points [-]

Tell me, how would you go about preventing somebody from robbing your house?

Comment author: VoiceOfRa 09 December 2015 01:58:38AM 4 points [-]

I believe in having a gun for home defense.

Comment author: OrphanWilde 09 December 2015 04:22:43PM 0 points [-]

A response which sums up this conversation, and the difference between our strategies, quite well.