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Comment author: skeptical_lurker 01 December 2015 11:36:08PM 0 points [-]

Schelling points are not a function of what one person knows, they are a function of what a group of people is likely to pick without coordination as the default answer.

I realise that it's not a function of what I know, what I meant is that given that I have heard a lot about CEV, it seems that a lot of people support it.

Still, I think I am using 'Schelling point' wrongly here - what I mean is that maybe CEV is something people could agree on with communication, like a point of compromise.

Human values are simply not that consistent -- which is why there is an "E" that allows unlimited handwaving.

Do you think that it is impossible for an FAI to implement CEV?

Comment author: Lumifer 02 December 2015 01:12:58AM *  2 points [-]

A Schelling point, as I understand it, is a choice that has value only because of the network effect. It is not "the best" by some criterion, it's not a compromise, in some sense it's an irrational choice from equal candidates -- it's just that people's minds are drawn to it.

In particular, a Schelling point is not something you agree on -- in fact, it's something you do NOT agree on (beforehand) :-)

Do you think that it is impossible for an FAI to implement CEV?

I don't know what CEV is. I suspect it's an impossible construct. It came into being as a solution to a problem EY ran his face into, but I don't consider it satisfactory.