You're looking at Less Wrong's discussion board. This includes all posts, including those that haven't been promoted to the front page yet. For more information, see About Less Wrong.

Lumifer comments on Open thread, Nov. 30 - Dec. 06, 2015 - Less Wrong Discussion

3 Post author: MrMind 30 November 2015 08:05AM

You are viewing a comment permalink. View the original post to see all comments and the full post content.

Comments (104)

You are viewing a single comment's thread. Show more comments above.

Comment author: username2 02 December 2015 12:59:46PM *  0 points [-]

Who are the equivalents of olympic champions for soft/social skills? What occupations do they usually hold?

I am aware of a show format in America, in which a host invites a guest to a news show, and chats with them. I would assume that would require them to be able to hit up a conversation with pretty much anyone.

Or the insurance salesman signing a deal in well over the majority of the cases.

... or the cult leader.

What is the present day equivalent of the Byzantine courtier managing to turn friendships into grudges, and making lovers stab each other in the back?

Or generally, the best performers in the cynical management of people so they further their goals?

I would like to know who are the creme, and most importantly, the occupations which select for such abilities (this in hope of there existing textbooks/playbooks/workshops titled Handbook of /Occupation/ from which allows one to acquire these skills.)

I am most interested in the first (being able to hit up a conversation with anyone, from truck driver to scientist, and continue to do so for a reasonable time)

I recall Kaj_Sotala writing up about a friend of his, who was able to do pretty much that, and his drawing a mind-map of conversation topics, and generally, that conversation is just like anything else: you ought to put effort into it, prepare if you want better outcomes, and anything which goes for any complex activity, so goes for this. On the IRC channel when there was talk about AI box experiments, ridiculously long pre-prepared scripts were mentioned. Debate teams also do this

Any other (play/hand)books i should check out? This seems like a search query which would result in too much red herrings, so I am writing here first hoping you guys have a better understanding around this area.

Comment author: Lumifer 02 December 2015 03:48:45PM 1 point [-]

Who are the equivalents of olympic champions for soft/social skills? What occupations do they usually hold?

I would expect to find them among lawyers, marketers, fixers/facilitators/deal-makers. Red-pill people probably want to be there, too :-/

What is the present day equivalent of the Byzantine courtier

A political operator, playing the usual games in the corridors of power.

the best performers in the cynical management of people so they further their goals?

Steve Jobs was said to be very very good at this.

occupations which select for such abilities

Salesman is the obvious one. There are LOTS of books on how to Win Friends and Influence People :-) starting from the Carnegie classic. Check out your local B&N or browse Amazon.