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FrameBenignly comments on Open thread, Dec. 21 - Dec. 27, 2015 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: FrameBenignly 22 December 2015 07:07:06PM 0 points [-]

True, but working from a model is not an inductive method, so it can't be classified as confirmation through inductive inference which is what I'm criticizing.

Comment author: Lumifer 22 December 2015 07:16:40PM 2 points [-]

You are severely confused about the basics. Please unconfuse yourself before getting to the criticism stage.

Comment author: FrameBenignly 22 December 2015 07:35:19PM 0 points [-]

??? IlyaShpitser if I understand correctly is talking about creating a model of a prior, collecting evidence, and then determining whether the model is true or false. That's hypothesis testing, which is deduction; not induction.

Comment author: IlyaShpitser 22 December 2015 07:42:39PM 1 point [-]

You don't understand.

You have a (possibly infinite) set of hypotheses. You maintain beliefs about this set. As you get more data, your beliefs change. To maintain beliefs you need a distribution/density. To do that you need a model (a model is just a set of densities you consider). You may have a flexible model and let the data decide how flexible you want to be (non-parametric Bayes stuff, I don't know too much about it), but there's still a model.

Suggesting for the third and final time to get off the internet argument train and go read a book about Bayesian inference.

Comment author: FrameBenignly 22 December 2015 07:50:04PM 0 points [-]

Oh, sorry I misunderstood your argument. That's an interesting solution.

Comment author: gjm 22 December 2015 10:06:05PM 1 point [-]

That interesting solution is exactly what people doing Bayesian inference do. Any criticism you may have that doesn't apply to what Ilya describes isn't a criticism of Bayesian inference.

Comment author: IlyaShpitser 22 December 2015 07:35:00PM *  0 points [-]

As much as I hate to do it, I am going to have to agree with Lumifer, you sound confused. Go read Bishop.