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Comment author: gjm 14 January 2016 06:07:51PM 4 points [-]

It's not clear to me that the other person really was "born on the other side of IQ tracks". (Unless you just mean that she's female and black, I guess?) I mean, she did a PhD in pure mathematics. Some of the things she says about it and about her experience in mathematics are certainly ... such as might incline the cynical to think that she actually just isn't very good at mathematics and is trying some passive-aggressive thing where she half-admits it and half-blames it on The Kyriarchy. But getting to the point at which anyone is willing to consider letting you do a mathematics PhD (incidental note: her supervisor is a very, very good mathematician) implies, I think, a pretty decent IQ.

For the avoidance of doubt, I am not myself endorsing the cynic's position above. I haven't looked at her thesis, which may in fact make it clear that she's a very good mathematician indeed. In which case her difficulties might in fact be the result of The Kyriarchy, or might be the result of oversensitivity on her part, or any combination thereof. Or in fact might simply be a useful rhetorical invention.

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Comment author: Good_Burning_Plastic 24 January 2016 11:46:46AM *  2 points [-]

Assuming it was written by her and not her adviser.

The writing doesn't sound like the same voice as her advisor's (e.g. arXiv:1402.1131). OTOH it is plausible that most of the original research in it was the latter's. Also, the fact that she doesn't seem to have ever published anything else is pretty suspicious. EDIT: also, she took ten years to finish it.

All in all, I'd guess her IQ is above 100 but below 130.

Comment author: gjm 24 January 2016 11:31:48AM 3 points [-]

Two minutes' inspection of her thesis would, I think, lead any reasonable person to conclude that it was almost certainly not written by her adviser. The extremely unusual style is consistent with her adviser having, say, had all the actual clever mathematical ideas in it, but again the point here is merely that Piper is clearly intelligent, and being able to understand the material described in her thesis (which, again, I think it's clear she does if you actually look at the thesis) is itself indicative of a high IQ.

(PS. Hi, Eugine/Azathoth/Ra/Lion. This is your regularly scheduled reminder that I respond to mass-downvoting of my old comments, such as you've been engaging in very recently, by posting more, and that Less Wrong responds to it by banning you and forcing you to go to all the trouble of registering another identity.)

Comment author: Good_Burning_Plastic 24 January 2016 11:37:19AM 1 point [-]

I haven't looked at her thesis,

Do try to.

Comment author: gjm 24 January 2016 02:16:29PM 0 points [-]

Since writing the above, I have. It's ... extremely unusual.

Comment author: Lumifer 14 January 2016 06:35:55PM 1 point [-]

Ah, I didn't follow the link to Piper's blog so my expression was misguided -- I take it back.

In this case, I think, her complaint reflects the status game mismatch -- either she's playing it and her conversation partner isn't, or vice versa, she is not and he is. It's hard to tell what is the case.