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Viliam comments on Open thread, Feb. 01 - Feb. 07, 2016 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: Viliam 06 February 2016 11:46:32PM *  3 points [-]

More than rude, it's a social taboo to criticize feminism.

The social taboo against criticizing feminism is built on the taboo against male violence against women. Note how readily some people label criticism or disagreement as "harrassment" and "violence", or how women who disagree with feminism are erased from the debate -- this is how the former gets labeled as the latter.

If we succeed to reframe the situation -- if we see a man verbally disagreeing with a feminist, but our emotions correspond to "a strong man is beating a weak woman" -- then the instinct to protect the woman gets activated.

At least it is my experience that in eyes of most observers I would lose any debate with a sufficiently skilled female feminist, because she could twist even the most polite verbal disagreement as "attacking her" simply by starting to cry. People pattern-match all the time. They see a man opposing a crying woman; their brains may try to analyze what happened, but their hearts already gave a clear verdict.

Comment author: helldalgo 07 February 2016 12:27:15AM 2 points [-]

Yeah. I don't know how to fix it, either, and it frustrates me (I also don't know how to keep from perpetuating it, because I tend to cry during confrontations by default).

Comment author: Lumifer 07 February 2016 04:20:43AM -1 points [-]

simply by starting to cry.

Well, in my social circles a woman who'd use crying as a way to win an argument would lose major status. "Now, now, dear, don't worry your pretty little head about this" is something you don't want to hear :-/

Comment author: bogus 07 February 2016 01:09:45AM -1 points [-]

she could twist even the most polite verbal disagreement as "attacking her" simply by starting to cry.

Oh, but that's when you can win by "gracefully conceding" the argument. You're showing your own protective instinct, and everyone else can see that what you're really doing is bowing out because having a proper debate is clearly not a possibility.