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Comment author: Viliam 08 March 2016 12:25:03PM *  5 points [-]

How much did humanity try applying science to science itself?

For example, let's say that we have a hypothesis "if we force scientists to publish a lot, they will produce better science". Well, that's a testable hypothesis. We could take a large set of scientists, randomly split them into two groups, provide unconditional income to one group, and tell the other group they will be fired if they don't meet their quota of published research. Wait ten or twenty years, and then compare which group has more Nobel prices.

Okay, that was exaggerated, but I hope you got the idea.

In other words, I am curious about how much the working conditions, education, etc. of scientists is actually based on pseudoscience or random decisions, and how much is somehow evidence-based.

Comment author: Good_Burning_Plastic 08 March 2016 11:18:14PM 2 points [-]

In other words, I am curious about how much the working conditions, education, etc. of scientists is actually based on pseudoscience or random decisions, and how much is somehow evidence-based.

I'd guess most of it is based on neither, and is just the result of coordination problems (Ctrl-F for "Tsars" in the latter link).

Comment author: ChristianKl 08 March 2016 07:37:54PM 0 points [-]

We could take a large set of scientists, randomly split them into two groups, provide unconditional income to one group,

That still leaves the question of how you decide who get's to be a scientist. There's not enough money to fund everybody who wants to be a scientist with a decent salary.

Science also often isn't funded with the goal of producing Nobel price winners.

Comment author: polymathwannabe 08 March 2016 02:47:19PM 0 points [-]

It appears to be an active field of study.

Comment author: Viliam 09 March 2016 09:00:56AM 0 points [-]

The first two links seems mostly about how science influences culture. The third one seems like what I wanted; too bad that the Wikipedia page doesn't contain any conclusions of that research.

Comment author: ChristianKl 08 March 2016 02:57:50PM 0 points [-]

The last Wikipedia article has to be written by a cynic:

Between 2007 and 2011, over one hundred and thirty awards were made in five rounds of funding. The awardees include economists, sociologists, political scientists, and psychologists as well as domain scientists. Some of these awards are already showing results in the form of papers, presentations, software, and data development.