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5 Post author: SquirrelInHell 18 March 2016 09:59AM

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Comment author: SquirrelInHell 21 March 2016 03:31:31AM 1 point [-]

Thank you for articulating this clearly and without being aggressive. This is remarkable and I've started to pay more attention to this recently, seeing how the discussion culture on LW could use some niceness (which is not to say, losing the openness about pointing out mistakes etc. - just not being a jerk about it).

Unfortunately I can't give you what you want just yet, or at least not in satisfying quality and quantity. Writing about serious rationality stuff is hard, and I'm in the process of experimenting to figure it out. (As a temporary and poor stand-in, I can point to this post which contains some claims about dual process theory based on literature I never knew existed, but it overlaps very closely with what I generated independently - as indicated in my comment).

Apparently, many people reading my post wanted to know the same thing as you. It is slightly strange to me, because my intention was specifically to write only about the "impressions" side of this, which seemed to be neglected and as far I have seen, no one has ever pointed it out clearly.

So I'm not sure why everyone has this approach - I would be grateful if you could give me your thoughts on why do you think it is useful to know what excactly I thought I was being more rational about. Does it change something about how you interpret my description, if you assume I was wrong about object-level stuff, or if you assume I was right about it?

Comment author: gjm 21 March 2016 01:08:13PM 4 points [-]

I'm not sure why everyone has this approach

If you say "Here is how it feels to me when I get more rational" and it turns out that what you're actually describing is how it feels to you when you get less rational but fool yourself, other people may want to use the signs you describe as warnings that they may be going astray.

If you say "Here is how it feels to me when I get more rational" and it turns out that you're right, other people may want to use the signs you describe as indications that they're doing something right.

(Of course neither of those will work well for people whose minds are too different from yours.)

Comment author: SquirrelInHell 22 March 2016 01:35:25AM *  1 point [-]

Ugh. Thing is, I strongly discourage people from using those signs (from my main post) as indications that they're doing something right.

I wouldn't want myself to use those signs in that way.

I predict it would harm my attempts to be more rational if I did that.

In all of this I just wanted to share my subjective experience, because um, it's fun to share subjective experiences? Or is it something people that are not me do not typically like?'

Edit: also see this reply to NancyLebovitz's comment. It's more clear to me now what has happened here.