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Comment author: peter_hurford 13 June 2013 01:49:21AM 3 points [-]

It also bothers me that the so many of the animals saved are fish; they dominate the weighted mean, have very different lifespans from chickens, and to the best of my knowledge cannot be 'factory farmed' in the same way. (It seems to me that fish farms are much more like their natural habitat than chicken farms are like their natural habitat, but that may be mistaken.)

From what I know, fish farming doesn't sound pleasant, though perhaps it's not nearly as bad as chicken farming.

Comment author: Douglas_Knight 13 June 2013 05:15:31PM *  1 point [-]

If that description makes you think that fish farming might possibly be in the same ballpark as chicken farming, then you're pretty ignorant of factory farming. Maybe you haven't seen enough propaganda?

Your other link is about killing the fish. Focus on the death rather than life may be good for propaganda, but do you really believe that the much of the suffering is there? Indeed, your post claimed to be about days of life.

Added: it makes me wonder if activists are corrupted by dealing with propaganda to focus on the aspects for which propaganda is most effective. Or maybe it's just that the propaganda works on them.

Comment author: peter_hurford 17 June 2013 04:36:34AM 2 points [-]

If that description makes you think that fish farming might possibly be in the same ballpark as chicken farming, then you're pretty ignorant of factory farming.

I never said they were in the same ballpark. Just that fish farming is also something I don't like.

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Your other link is about killing the fish. Focus on the death rather than life may be good for propaganda, but do you really believe that the much of the suffering is there?

Yes, I do.

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Indeed, your post claimed to be about days of life.

I agree that might not make much sense for fish, except in so far as farming causes more fish to be birthed than otherwise would.

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Added: it makes me wonder if activists are corrupted by dealing with propaganda to focus on the aspects for which propaganda is most effective. Or maybe it's just that the propaganda works on them.

I think this is a bias that is present in any kind of person that cares about advocating for or against a cause.

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