Eliezer_Yudkowsky comments on Effective Altruism Through Advertising Vegetarianism? - LessWrong

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Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 13 June 2013 07:21:45PM 2 points [-]

Ethical generalizations check: Do you care about Babyeaters? Would you eat Yoda?

Comment author: Qiaochu_Yuan 13 June 2013 07:30:24PM 3 points [-]

Nope (can't parse them as approximately human without revulsion). Nope (approximately human).

Comment author: wedrifid 14 June 2013 05:05:07AM *  4 points [-]

Would you eat Yoda?

Would that allow absorbing some of his midichlorians? Black magic! Well, I might try (since he died of natural causes anyway). But yoda dies without leaving a corpse. It would be difficult. The only viable strategy would seem to be to have Yoda anethetize himself a minute before he ghosts ("becomes one with the force"). Then the flesh would remain corporeal for consumption.

The real ethical test would be would I freeze yoda's head in carbonite, acquire brain scanning technology and upload him into a robot body? Yoda may have religious objections to the practice so I may honour his preferences while being severely disappointed. I suspect I'd choose the Dark Side of the Force myself. The Sith philosophy seems much more compatible with life extension by whatever means necessary.

Comment author: CCC 14 June 2013 08:51:07AM 4 points [-]

It should be noted that Yoda has an observable afterlife. Obi-wan had already appeared after his body had died, apparently in full possession of his memories and his reasoning abilities; Yoda proposes to follow in Obi-wan's footsteps, and has good reason to believe that he will be able to do so.

Comment author: Kawoomba 14 June 2013 07:54:48AM 2 points [-]

Sith philosophy, for reference:

Peace is a lie, there is only passion.

Through passion, I gain strength.

Through strength, I gain power.

Through power, I gain victory.

Through victory, my chains are broken.

The Force shall free me.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 14 June 2013 02:05:04PM 7 points [-]

Actual use of Sith techniques seems to turn people evil at ridiculously accelerated rates. At least in-universe it seems that sensible people would write off this attractive-sounding philosophy as window dressing on an extremely damaging set of psychic techniques.

Comment author: nshepperd 14 June 2013 03:27:03PM 0 points [-]

If you're lucky, it might grant intrinsic telepathy, as long as the corpse is relatively fresh.

Comment author: Jiro 14 June 2013 07:35:04PM -1 points [-]

I wouldn't eat flies or squids either. But I know that that's a cultural construct.

Let's ask another question: would I care if someone else eats Yoda?

Well, I might, but only because eating Yoda is, in practice, correlated with lots of other things I might find undesirable. If I could be assured that such was not the case (for instance, if there was another culture which ate the dead to honor them, that's why he ate Yoda, and Yoda's will granted permission for this), then no, I wouldn't care if someone else eats Yoda.

Comment author: wedrifid 14 June 2013 07:58:08PM 1 point [-]

Well, I might, but only because eating Yoda is, in practice, correlated with lots of other things I might find undesirable.

In practice? In common Yoda-eating practice? Something about down to earth 'in practice' empirical observations about things that can not possibly have ever occurred strikes me as broken. Perhaps "would be, presumably, correlated with".

If I could be assured that such was not the case (for instance, if there was another culture which ate the dead to honor them, that's why he ate Yoda, and Yoda's will granted permission for this), then no, I wouldn't care if someone else eats Yoda.

In Yoda's case he could even have just asked for permission from Yoda's force ghost. Jedi add a whole new level of meaning to "Living Will".

Comment author: Jiro 14 June 2013 08:29:17PM *  -2 points [-]

In practice? In common Yoda-eating practice?

"In practice" doesn't mean "this is practiced", it means "given that this is done, what things are, with high probability, associated with it in real-life situations" (or in this case, real-life-+-Yoda situations). "In practice" can apply to rare or unique events.

Comment author: Qiaochu_Yuan 14 June 2013 08:47:38PM 3 points [-]

I really don't think statements of the form "X is, in practice, correlated with Y" should apply to situations where X has literally never occurred. You might want to say "I expect that X would, in practice, be correlated with Y" instead.

Comment author: Jiro 14 June 2013 10:02:04PM -2 points [-]

All events have never occurred if you describe them with enough specificity; I've never eaten this exact sandwich on this exact day.

While nobody has eaten Yoda before, there have been instances where people have eaten beings that could talk intelligently.

Comment author: wedrifid 15 June 2013 03:06:38PM 1 point [-]

"In practice" doesn't mean "this is practiced", it means "given that this is done, what things are, with high probability, associated with it in real-life situations" (or in this case, real-life-+-Yoda situations). "In practice" can apply to rare or unique events.

I share Qiaochu's reasoning.