Lukas_Gloor comments on Arguments Against Speciesism - LessWrong

28 Post author: Lukas_Gloor 28 July 2013 06:24PM

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Comment author: Morendil 28 July 2013 09:34:24PM 3 points [-]

What properties do human beings possess that makes us think that it is wrong to torture them?

Does it have to be the case that "the properties that X possesses" is the only relevant input? It seems to me that the properties possessed by the would-be torturer or killer are also relevant.

For instance, if I came across a kid torturing a mouse (even a fly) I would be horrified, but I would respond differently to a cat torturing a mouse (or a fly).

Comment author: Lukas_Gloor 28 July 2013 09:49:26PM *  3 points [-]

What if it is done by a baby or a kid with mental impairments so she cannot follow moral/social norms? I see no reason to treat the situation differently in such a case. (Except that one might want to talk to the parents of the kid in order to have them consider a psychological check-up for their child.)

Comment author: DanArmak 28 July 2013 10:32:23PM 1 point [-]

I see no reason to treat the situation differently in such a case.

Differently from a normal kid, or differently from a cat? (I share Morendil's moral intuitions regarding his example.)

Comment author: Lukas_Gloor 28 July 2013 10:55:19PM 6 points [-]

From the cat. I would in fact press a magic button that turns all carnivores into vegans. The cat (or the kid) doesn't know what it is doing and cannot be meaningfully blamed, but I still consider this to be a harmful action and I would want to prevent it. Who commits the act makes no difference to me (or only for indirect reasons).