Jiro comments on Arguments Against Speciesism - LessWrong

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Comment author: threewestwinds 31 July 2013 07:05:03PM 0 points [-]

As has been mentioned elsewhere in this conversation, that's a fully general argument - it can be applied to every change one might possibly make in one's behavior.

Let's enumerate the costs, rather than just saying "there are costs."

  • Money wise, you save or break even.
  • It has no time cost in much of the US (most restaurants have vegetarian options).
  • The social cost depends on your situation - if you have people who cook for you, then you have to explain the change to them (in Washington state, this cost is tiny - people are understanding. In Texas, it is expensive).
  • The mental cost is difficult to discuss in a universal way. I found them to be rather small in my own case. Other people claim them to be quite large. But "I don't want to change my behavior because changing behavior is hard" is not terribly convincing.

Your discounting of non-human life has to be rather extreme for "I will have to remind myself to change my behavior" to out weigh an immediate, direct and calculable reduction in world suffering.

Comment author: Jiro 31 July 2013 10:00:06PM *  2 points [-]

it can be applied to every change one might possibly make in one's behavior.

And it would be correct to deny that a change that would possibly be made to one's behavior is "such a cheap change" that we don't need to weigh the cost of the change very much.

Your discounting of non-human life has to be rather extreme for "I will have to remind myself to change my behavior" to out weigh an immediate, direct and calculable reduction in world suffering.

That only applies to someone who already agrees with you about animal suffering to a sufficient degree that he should just become a vegetarian immediately anyway. Otherwise it's not all that calculable.