Jiro comments on Arguments Against Speciesism - LessWrong

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Comment author: Jiro 01 August 2013 04:30:38PM *  3 points [-]

This has the same flaw as before, just phrased a little differently. "Suppose I am ordering a pizza. If we don't require it to be square, then all sorts of ridiculous possibilities are possible, such as a pizza a half inch wide and 20 feet long. We don't want these ridiculous possibilities, so we better make sure to always order square pizzas."

"If we don't require evidence, then ridiculous conclusions are possible" can be interpreted in English to mean

1) In any case where we don't require evidence, ridiculous conclusions are possible.

2) In at least one case where we don't require evidence, ridiculous conclusions are possible.

Most people who think that the statement is true would be agreeing with it in sense #2, just like with the pizzas. And your argument depends on sense #1.

In other words, you're assuming that if evidence isn't used to rule out racism, then nothing else can rule out racism either.

Comment author: Xodarap 03 August 2013 01:20:19PM -2 points [-]

Fair enough. What if we replace (1) with

  1. If we allow subjective opinions, then ridiculous conclusions are possible.

Keep in mind that I was responding to Lumifer's comment:

Humans are special in the same way a roast is tasty or a host charming. It is entirely in the eye of the beholder, it's a subjective opinion and as such there is no "actually" about it.

This is not intended to be a grand, sweeping axiom of ethics. I was just pointing out that allowing these subjective opinions proves more than we probably want.

Comment author: Jiro 03 August 2013 05:07:11PM 1 point [-]

That still has the same flaw. If we allow any and all subjective opinions, then ridiculous conclusions are possible. But it doesn't follow that if we allow some subjective opinions, ridiculous conclusions are possible. And nobody's claiming the former.