Jiro comments on Arguments Against Speciesism - LessWrong

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Comment author: Jiro 09 August 2013 07:55:41PM -1 points [-]

I do not expect a country that allows 12-17 year olds to vote to have worse outcomes than a country that does not.

That's a trick statement, because the biggest reason that a country that allows 12-17 year olds to vote won't have worse outcomes is that the number of such people voting isn't enough to have much of an influence on the outcome at all. I don;t expect a country that adds a few hundred votes chosen by throwing darts at ballots to have worse outcomes, either.

The proper question is whether you expect a country that allows them to vote to have worse outcomes to the extent that letting them vote affects the outcome at all.

Comment author: Lumifer 09 August 2013 08:11:06PM 2 points [-]

the number of such people voting isn't enough to have much of an influence on the outcome at all

In the US there are about 25m 12-17-year-olds.

In the last (2012) presidential election the popular vote gap between the two candidates was 5m people.

Comment author: wedrifid 10 August 2013 01:56:23AM -1 points [-]

That's a trick statement

There is no trick. For it to be a trick of the kind you suggest would require that the meaning people take from it is different from the meaning I intend to convey. I do not limit the claim to "statistically insignificant worse outcomes because the 25 million people added are somehow negligible". I mean it like it sounds. I have not particular expectation that the marginal change to the system will be in the negative direction.