Jiro comments on Arguments Against Speciesism - LessWrong

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Comment author: Jiro 10 August 2013 12:32:07PM *  1 point [-]

Wasn't willing to accept what argument?

He claimed that a test that is bad overall is worse than a racially biased test. That might be a nontrivial argument if it he could show that it is worse by some fairly universal criterion. I pointed out that that he can't show this, because I can come up with a scenario where the racially biased test is clearly worse than the overall bad test.

His reply to that was "there is more to politics than race". In context (rather than by taking the literal words), he's telling me that I shouldn't emphasize race so much when talking politics. His argument for that? Um... none, really. There's no argument to respond to or accept. All I can do is say "no, I don't accept that premise. I think my emphasis on race is appropriate".

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 11 August 2013 10:33:44PM 0 points [-]

Wasn't willing to accept what argument?

Why is bias on the test that happens to correlate with race worse than any other bias?

Comment author: Jiro 11 August 2013 11:58:20PM 1 point [-]

I don't see any argument in that.

Comment author: MugaSofer 18 August 2013 09:05:12PM *  0 points [-]

If I may jump in here ... Eugene seems to be asking if you consider non-racism inherently, terminally important or purely instrumental in the great war against sucky tests.

You seem to be agreeing that yes, racism really is more important than, say, conservative bias.

I'm not certain if you actually believe that ... I would guess you do ... but you seemed somewhat confused by the question, so I thought I'd ask.