Vika comments on The Importance of Sidekicks - LessWrong

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Comment author: Vika 09 January 2015 02:50:52AM 3 points [-]

Do you know of any examples, fictional or real, of a male sidekick to a female hero?

Comment author: RichardKennaway 09 January 2015 09:12:22AM 13 points [-]

Margaret Thatcher and Denis Thatcher.

Comment author: Kyre 09 January 2015 05:07:42AM 5 points [-]

Buffy / Xander, Motoko / Batu, Deunan / Briareos

(although I'm not sure "Sidekick" is exactly right here)

Comment author: polymathwannabe 09 January 2015 04:25:28AM 4 points [-]

Hit Girl/Kick-Ass, Korra/Mako, Sailor Moon/Tuxedo Mask, She-Ra/Bow.

Comment author: Salemicus 22 January 2015 04:54:23PM *  2 points [-]
  • Queen Anne and Prince George of Denmark.
  • Indira and Feroze Gandhi.
  • Benazir Bhutto and Asif Ali Zardari.
  • Maria Theresa and Francis I.
Comment author: wadavis 09 January 2015 11:49:06PM *  2 points [-]

Moiraine Damodred and Al'Lan Mandragoran

Tiffany Aching and Rob Anybody

Comment author: [deleted] 11 January 2015 09:40:00PM 0 points [-]

Moiraine Damodred and Al'Lan Mandragoran

* SPOILERS FOR AN ANCIENT FANTASY SERIES *

Severely hampered by the fact that Moiraine is fridged for -- what, six, seven books?

Comment author: Nornagest 12 January 2015 04:23:14AM *  3 points [-]

Less "fridged" and more "pulling a Gandalf", I'd say. She isn't murdered to demonstrate the opposition's evilness and to motivate the hero; she's a mentor figure who gets killed neutralizing a threat that the hero can't overcome at that stage of his development.

Not that that's much of a step up, plot-wise.

Comment author: [deleted] 12 January 2015 02:16:58PM *  1 point [-]

Good catch.

Man, I'd forgotten how ridiculous that series is. I'd started reading them as a child, and finished just after Winter's Heart was published. A couple years later, I met Jordan at a book signing for Crossroads of Twilight. I was so disappointed by that horrible, horrible novel that I still haven't finished the series yet.

Comment author: Nornagest 12 January 2015 05:41:37PM *  0 points [-]

They're pretty ridiculous. I had a similar arc of experience with them, minus the book signing, but a year or so ago I picked up ePubs of the tail end of the series with an eye toward finally driving a stake into its heart. I hardly ever read fantasy these days, but I had a long plane flight ahead of me and figured I could do worse.

Roughly six hours of reading later, I was a quarter of the way into Knife of Dreams and already regretting that plan. I never did finish them.

Comment author: MarkusRamikin 12 January 2015 06:54:53PM *  0 points [-]

Yes, they are. If I were to find myself re-reading them for some reason, I think I'd just have to read the parts with the Asha'man, and skip the two bazillion other subplots that go nowhere interesting.

And especially I'd skip everything that includes Faile. Better yet, women in general.

Comment author: Lumifer 12 January 2015 07:07:50PM 0 points [-]

You'd miss all the incredible Nynaeve tugging her braid action X-)

Comment author: Lumifer 11 January 2015 09:46:24PM *  1 point [-]

But unhampered by the observation that it's not just this particular pair -- this is an entire social institution where a male Warden becomes a sidekick to a female Aes Sedai.

Comment author: alienist 12 January 2015 03:13:23AM 7 points [-]

And hampered by the fact that the main character is the one exception.

Comment author: wadavis 12 January 2015 05:45:06AM -1 points [-]

The Aes Sedai society is a limited example, I had trouble remembering the names of any other bonded pairs where both characters were developed and the warden fit the willing, mentally healthy, sidekick role. The wardens were a case study in the reverse Bechdel test.

In that entire story, Lan was an exception that he embraced his sidekickness.

Comment author: [deleted] 12 January 2015 02:26:30PM 0 points [-]

I had trouble remembering the names of any other bonded pairs where both characters were developed and the warden fit the willing, mentally healthy, sidekick role.

I don't remember any, either. Doesn't Taim end up bonding with an Aes Sedai? I know at least some of the Asha'man did.

I suppose the triple bond on Rand is an example....? Ick.

Comment author: Manfred 18 January 2015 05:17:36AM 0 points [-]

Now I feel like a bad person because I can't remember Verin's warder's name :(

Ooh, or Adaleas and Vandene's sweet old-man warder.

(Looked them up - Tomas and Jaem)

Comment author: RichardKennaway 09 January 2015 08:14:46AM 2 points [-]

Modesty Blaise and Willie Garvin.

Comment author: wadavis 10 January 2015 12:21:26AM 0 points [-]

Marie Curie and Pierre Curie

Comment author: JoshuaZ 10 January 2015 01:49:27AM 6 points [-]

I'm not sure how good an example that is. Pierre Curie was an extremely successful scientist in his own right.

Comment author: wadavis 21 January 2015 04:13:18PM 1 point [-]

Dagny Taggart and Eddie Willers.

Comment author: hairyfigment 21 January 2015 05:13:41PM 0 points [-]

I was going to cite "Worm," but - aside from maybe the Number Man and Contessa - none of those examples really work. Alas, poor Clockblocker never got to fulfill his true role.

Comment author: RichardKennaway 13 January 2015 09:57:04AM 0 points [-]

Morgaine and Nhi Vanye.

Comment author: Good_Burning_Plastic 13 January 2015 09:28:15AM 0 points [-]

Jessie and James in the Pokémon anime (kind of).