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Meetup : Superintelligence chapter 3

0 pepe_prime 12 March 2017 08:59PM

Discussion article for the meetup : Superintelligence chapter 3

WHEN: 31 March 2017 04:45:00PM (+0100)

WHERE: Lindstedtsvägen 3, room 1537, SE-114 28 Stockholm, Sverige

We'll have a 30 minute summary of chapter 3 of Superintelligence, followed by free-form discussion. We'll repeat this with later chapters about every 2 weeks.

Format: We meet and start hanging out at 5:45, but don't officially start doing the meetup topic until 6:00 to accomodate stragglers. We often go out for dinner after the meetup.

How to find us: The meetup is at a KTH academic building and the room is on the 5th floor, two stairs up.

Influence future meetups: Times - http://www.when2meet.com/?5723551-cJBhD Topics - https://druthe.rs/dockets/-KcCvpn97vUhg3tQRrKn

Discussion article for the meetup : Superintelligence chapter 3

Meetup : Goal factoring

0 pepe_prime 08 March 2017 09:39PM

Discussion article for the meetup : Goal factoring

WHEN: 24 March 2017 05:45:00PM (+0100)

WHERE: Lindstedtsvägen 3, room 1537, SE-114 28 Stockholm, Sverige

Goal factoring is a technique for introspection to help identify and achieve your goals. It helps choose day-to-day activities that efficiently achieve short and long term purposes. We'll focus on "bottom-up" goal factoring. Here, you look at activities you already do regularly, like check your email and play board games on Saturdays. You ask yourself what purposes these fulfill, like being reachable by colleagues and relaxing after the week. You brainstorm alternatives that achieve the same purpose. Finally, you see if you can get the same outcomes more efficiently.

We'll practice this as a group to see how it works, then split into pairs and practice more. Bring your constraint satisfiability solving programs. Just kidding, just bring yourself :) Check out a template - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BCoE9PoqOuUjl70S63764iZgqfpo94gPhjpS5EWNnMw/edit

Format: We meet and start hanging out at 5:45, but don't officially start doing the meetup topic until 6:00 to accomodate stragglers. We often go out for dinner after the meetup.

How to find us: The meetup is at a KTH academic building and the room is on the 5th floor, two stairs up.

Influence future meetups: Times - http://www.when2meet.com/?5723551-cJBhD Topics - https://druthe.rs/dockets/-KcCvpn97vUhg3tQRrKn

Discussion article for the meetup : Goal factoring

Meetup : Superintellignce chapter 2

0 pepe_prime 04 March 2017 08:29PM

Discussion article for the meetup : Superintellignce chapter 2

WHEN: 17 March 2017 05:45:00PM (+0100)

WHERE: Lindstedtsvägen 3, room 1537, SE-114 28 Stockholm, Sverige

We'll have a 30 minute summary of chapter 1 of Superintelligence, followed by free-form discussion. We'll repeat this with later chapters about every 2 weeks.

Format: We meet and start hanging out at 5:45, but don't officially start doing the meetup topic until 6:00 to accomodate stragglers. We often go out for dinner after the meetup.

How to find us: The meetup is at a KTH academic building and the room is on the 5th floor, two stairs up.

Influence future meetups: Times - http://www.when2meet.com/?5723551-cJBhD Topics - https://druthe.rs/dockets/-KcCvpn97vUhg3tQRrKn

Discussion article for the meetup : Superintellignce chapter 2

Comment author: Viliam 12 February 2017 06:55:42PM 3 points [-]

what does karma do? Votes determine what gets seen and what doesn't. [...] Views determine what kind of content gets circulated, which determines who makes money. Views also determine what ideas people are exposed to and influenced by, which in turn determines how they will attempt to change the minds of others concerning those ideas. Karma is the currency of attention and influence.

Let me be clear: you cannot push dogshit to the top of reddit. [...] However, you can push kind-of-good-but-not-great stuff to the top of reddit. This happens all the time. There is a lot of money in it.

Redditors are often shocked at the dishonesty that goes on in the corporate world, but I think that's because so many redditors work as programmers, which is comparatively way more honest than most professions. If you deal with people for a living, you're usually dealing with bullshit, because most people are bullshit factories. [...] Wikipedia overwhelmingly considers articles from organizations "reliable" and articles from individuals "not reliable" -- note that these are the same organizations where a PR person calls up a friend and contrives a story.

Vote nudging is perhaps the most common type of vote manipulation on reddit. [...] Vote nudging happens when someone arranges themselves or a few other people to give a link a boost of upvotes during its initial appearance on a subreddit, and then leave the link to grow organically. Vote nudging is extremely successful because the first five upvotes are the most influential portion of a link's lifespan, because when a link has one vote you can kill 100% of its votes by downvoting it. [...] So, the vast majority of links will die in the first few upvotes. You might think of it as surviving infant mortality -- once children don't die from the vast majority of death-causing things, their life expectancy rockets forward. [...] Vote nudging is difficult to call manipulation because (a) it's very easy to organize and (b) this is undoubtedly common practice at countless marketing firms that promote their content.

Reverse-nudging is more insidious and it's when you vote negatively to all content blocking your link's position to a higher page. So let's say your link is 40th -- you'd downvote the 10 submissions above 40 [...] This would probably rise you to the 35th spot

Here is something you need to understand about reddit: The number of people who don't read the article and "skip to the comments" is immense, and people who do this register upvotes as some kind of truth rating (as opposed to "content we want you to see" rating). This viewpoint could not be more erroneous, but vote manipulation exploits people who think this way. [...] people don't tend to read the whole discussion, so a completely crushing counterargument could be at +1 or +2 forever.

Asch conformity experiment. If conformity pressure can delude someone about the size of lines right in front of their face, they can be influenced by a number telling them that they're disagreeing with 1000 people.

How many people are uninfluenced by votes? In other words, how many people think for themselves? There is no way to know for sure unless you have access to data a normal user does not, but I'd suspect it's something like 20-30%.

Comment author: pepe_prime 12 February 2017 11:44:02PM 1 point [-]

Thanks, these are excellent highlight reels.

Comment author: pepe_prime 11 February 2017 05:11:58PM 2 points [-]

Self-explanatory title. The list is rather rambling and not terribly comprehensive, but I found it worthwhile nonetheless.

Here's a summary, of sorts. OP also discusses what can be done about manipulation, in a way relevant for lesswrong.

When I first tried to post this I accidentally saved as draft first and it ended up pointing to itself, so I'm reposting. Thanks satt.

[Link] The types of manipulation on vote-based forums

5 pepe_prime 11 February 2017 05:09PM
Comment author: satt 11 February 2017 02:18:01PM 3 points [-]

Accidental self-link?

Comment author: pepe_prime 11 February 2017 05:08:51PM 2 points [-]

Thanks. Not sure how I caused that, or how to fix it, so I'm deleting and reposting the link.

Comment author: pepe_prime 11 February 2017 12:20:12AM *  0 points [-]

Self-explanatory title. The list is rather rambling and not terribly comprehensive, but I found it worthwhile nonetheless.

Here's a summary, of sorts. OP also discusses what can be done about manipulation, in a way relevant for lesswrong.

Perhaps the key takeaway here is the useful word 'pabulum'.

Comment author: JenniferRM 30 January 2017 05:21:28PM 3 points [-]

I appreciate the poll, but a large part of my goal was to just get a lot of comments, hopefully at the "Ping" level, because I want to see how many people are here with at least that amount of "social oomph" when the topic is themselves.

For people responding to this poll, please also give a very small overall comment that you used the poll.

Comment author: pepe_prime 01 February 2017 09:38:10AM 1 point [-]

ping

Stupid Questions December 2016

5 pepe_prime 19 December 2016 02:41PM

This thread is for asking any questions that might seem obvious, tangential, silly or what-have-you. Don't be shy, everyone has holes in their knowledge, though the fewer and the smaller we can make them, the better.

Please be respectful of other people's admitting ignorance and don't mock them for it, as they're doing a noble thing.

To any future monthly posters of SQ threads, please remember to add the "stupid_questions" tag.

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