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Turns out it was extremely slow, then fast, then suddenly asymptotic. I'm sure you mathletes must know the name for that type of curve.

2DanielLC
Hyperbolic (like 1/x). I feel like you're hinting the answer is exponential, but that implies a constant doubling time, which isn't what we have here.

Honestly. What an arrogant son of a whore you were then.

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Your brain was content free. You were projecting.

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Ok. I mean I'm fairly sure I did that at least once.

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-1AndyWood
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You have it... Thank you moridinamael.

When you entitled this post "Why did you...?", were you more interested in being validated by someone else's agreement with your own perspective than in finding out the actual answers people would provide to the question?

If so, all I can suggest is: don't believe everything you think.

5Luke_A_Somers
Tips, meant in the spirit of improvement (I didn't see the original post, but deduce that style and usage improvements would have helped): 10 repetitions is too many (see below concerning 'too') If Y is 'too' X, that is not great. If it's great, then Y is not too X, but can be very X. I understand that by 'spectrum' you mean autistic spectrum, but the point of that word is the continuum, which means it's not a quality but a parameter. You don't say 'It's too temperature', but 'It's too hot'. Here, you could say 'My brother and father are way out on the autism spectrum.' Of course, I don't think that position on the autistic spectrum is really the problem here, so let's not muddy waters.

Ordinary for what? Ordinary for this small community? It's a big world out there.

0Dustin
Well, you posted it to this small community, and then wondered why it was downvoted.

It's a big world out there.

But you're talking to the world in here.

Ok, fellas, this is getting ridiculous. I've lost all the karma I accumulated for years in this community, over 3 simple lines. Something doesn't add up

7ArisKatsaris
Past comments of yours seem to have been trying for actual communication of actual meaning with clarity. No pseudo-mystical mumbo-jumbo but rather thoughts clearly expressed. So indeed something is not adding up, but it's you who may be acting radically different, not the rest of us who are downvoting anything we'd have upvoted in the past: So I'm asking you for you own health's sake -- have you been doing any new drugs recently, or perhaps stopped or changed any prescription medicine you were taking?
8Lumifer
Ah. One day. One day I will awaken under the Bodhi tree, the qi will fill my meridians, Kundalini will pierce my chakras, my self will shatter into the multitude of lotus petals vibrating with the sound of om. And verily I shall behold the Akashic Records and I shall know what was, what is, and what shall be. But until then I'd better go. I seem to be missing an ox and need to find it...

The more different subjects, venues, and experiences in the world that you open your eyes to, the more you will see that we are in a smooth, soft takeoff. Now.

0DanielLC
We've been using tools to build on tools to get exponential progress for some time. This has been happening before computers were invented, and software isn't the only thing in it. I'm not denying the existence of a smooth, soft takeoff. I'm just saying that a fast one would be awesome.
7Dustin
I don't think "comfort" is the useful metric here. I certainly wouldn't say I was uncomfortable with your post. I would measure utility maybe?. I would not want to see more posts like your post. I found it wasted my time by not containing any sort of attempt (other than bald assertion) to convince me of your non-standard ideas. That is not to say that I would not want to see more posts exploring the ideas you seem to be attempting to describe...I would possibly enjoy reading well-argued posts exploring alternative formulations to the LW-standard ideas about AI.
5shware
I didn't have a problem with 1 or 2 but 3 and 4 were the big problems. Though I didn't downvote because it was already well negative at that point. Saying AI is software is an assertion but its not meaningful. Are you saying software that prints 'hello world' is intelligent? From some of your previous comments I gather you are interested in how software, the user, the designer and other software interact in some way but there was none of that in the post. Its as if Eliezer had said 'rationality IS winning IS rationality' as the entirety of the sequences.

Thank you, ChristianKI

I am suggesting your comment implied to me you still compare AIs with humans a bit too much. We work to make software able to solve the set of problems it was designed for. This applies for Hello World, and for Singleton.

2DanielLC
Single-use software has its place, but it's not exactly singularity-inducing. Each piece of software can only do one thing. If you had a piece of software that could do anything, then you program that one piece of software and you and everyone else is set until the heat death of the universe. Also, why bother with the word AI? Even if AGI isn't its own cluster in thingspace, we already have the word "software". Why replace it?

ArisKatsaris, I did not say "intentional", and if I did, I would not mean it in quite the way you do. But I would mean it in an analogous way to our intentionality. Why did you insert this word?

This is another call for respectful dialog on the topic. Takers?

A brief word on credentials. I am a 23/24-year "veteran" of the software industry. I have worked on many types of software at Microsoft, and on simulation and optimization at Electronic Arts. I am an information scientist first, and an "armchair" theoretical physicist (with a pet TOE), and a hands-on consciousness researcher.

Thank you for the civil dialog.

7Shmi
Publicly admitting this, while brave, results in me and probably others revising the probability of the stuff you post being useful or interesting way down. This is because you don't understand that in physics it takes a decade or so of dedicated studying to reach the proverbial shoulders of the giants, which is necessary before you can figure out anything new. It's the same in math, and probably in many other sciences. If you want to ask interesting questions, let alone contribute non-trivial insights, start by familiarizing yourself with the subject matter, be it physics, cognitive sciences or AI research.

This is another call for respectful dialog on the topic.

What exactly do you wish to discuss? Your post doesn't provide much in the way of starting points. Your fondness of assigning non-standard meaning to words (e.g. "AI") doesn't help much either.

Take google maps. On one end, it interacts through road sensors. On the other end, it serves us by telling about traffic.

This refers to my previous reply to you. Did you see it? Did you see the poetry, too? Why or why not?

6ArisKatsaris
If you're not interested in actually communicating with me (which means atleast trying to make your meaning understood), then I will likewise stop communicating with you, and just downvote next time you act similarly but I will not bother with again offering an explanation when you ask for one, Done with this discussion.

Imagine if Einstein posted to a forum to say "It's all relative guys, isn't it obvious! Gravitation and speed of light and everything!" and then people downvoted him and he responded with "I don't understand why you guys don't see what I mean, it's all perfectly clear". Even if he is literally Einstein and his theories of relativity are completely well developed, that kind of post isn't going to convey them.

You are saying a bunch of vague bullshit sounding phrases that even if they are TRUE are not MEANINGFUL to anyone but yourself. Yo... (read more)

-1metatroll
LW clearly doesn't appreciate the urgency of this issue. Even Specks versus torture has been taken over by baggage from 1950.
2DanielLC
I don't understand your question. Are you saying that my comment wasn't about AIs being like humans, or are you saying that it doesn't matter if software is only able to solve a set of problems that it wasn't designed for?
3Wes_W
Ok. Can you try tabooing the term AI and restating your thesis? Your definition differs drastically from what I would use, so I wonder if I'm reading unintended connotations.
0EStokes
Surely brains have processes that compute people? ETA: To rephrase: a person is a process in a brain
2ArisKatsaris
"I only omitted one word, and swapped 2." Compared to what, your original text? You have removed whole paragraphs of text from the original text which I downvoted, so you can't mean that.

This at least is empirical.

1AndyWood
Ok, fellas, this is getting ridiculous. I've lost all the karma I accumulated for years in this community, over 3 simple lines. Something doesn't add up
8[anonymous]
I'm studying CS at uni, for all that's relevant. Care to go into more detail about how it has helped you?
3DanielLC
Able to solve problems in a wide variety of environments. Software tends to only be able to solve a small set of problems that it was designed for, and even then it needs to be told the problem in a very specific way.
-10AndyWood

Saw all three movies. Still downvoted you.

So you automatically think that being downvoted means that people were closeminded to what you had to say.

I downvoted it because it's pseudo-mystical crap, happily wallowing in its pseudo-mysticality, and like all pseudomystical crap it says nothing of importance though it attempts to pat itself on the back for how important the nothing it says is.

This mucking around with surface connotation has a feel-good quality that I find drastically unappealing and to be avoided like cancer.

Rappers are much more cerebral than football players, as a class, as a profession, as an endeavor. There's no rationalizing around this.

2IlyaShpitser
Rap battles reward quick wit as few other things do (maybe improv theatre/comedy also?) ---------------------------------------- People need to stop equating single parameters with anything, like Villiam Bur does in the original post.

Rappers are probably a bad example. Most if not all of the great rappers are notable for being extremely intelligent, especially in the sense that IQ measures.

0Gunnar_Zarncke
Most if not all of the great X are notable for being extremely intelligent. For any X to arrive at the very top you probably also need to be smart.

I'm, 'gratified' I guess, to see other comments here about autism. As I read through the post, I immediately began having the impression that "rationalist community" was being used like a euphemism for "community with high rate of autism". I know it isn't, literally, but there are aspects of rationalism and this type of explicit communication that I have always thought of as 'gifts' that people on the autism spectrum bring to humanity.

At the risk of sounding naive, I'll come right out and say it. It completely baffles me that so many people speak of this game as having an emotional toll. How is it possible for words, in a chat window, in the context of a fictional role-play, to have this kind of effect on people? What in god's name are you people saying to each other in there? I consider myself to be emotionally normal, a fairly empathetic person, etc. I can imagine experiencing disgust at, say, very graphic textual descriptions. There was that one post a few years back that scared some... (read more)

1FourFire
I myself held this position until I, quite recently as a matter of fact, read some fiction which tipped off an existential crisis, putting me on the verge of a panic attack. Since then, I am more wary of dangerous ideas. Ignorance might be bliss, but wisdom is gathered by those who survive their youth.
2Brillyant
I laughed out loud in an environment where that loud laughter was not very appropriate. And it was worth it. Thank you. You summarized my feelings on this game better than I could have. I'm not compelled at all by the examples given in the responses to your comment up to this point (i.e. email, mortality and effective fiction can be emotionally draining), and I'd be interested in hearing someone else weigh in on why this AI Box experiment is so emotional and pyschologically powerful for some people?
3ChristianKl
How do you feel about dying some day? Do you think it would bring up some emotions in you if someone pushes you to think thought about that topic. Pushing someone into his ugh fields can be emotionally draining.
4moridinamael
I am inclined to agree with your general point; however, I myself have been moved to utter emotional devastation by works of fiction in the past. I'm talking real depression induced by reading a book. So I can imagine ways of hacking humans emotionally. I just have trouble imagining doing it in two hours to someone who is trying to be vigilant against such attacks.

I think you are underestimating the range of things that are emotionally draining for people. I know some people who find email draining, and that's not even particularly mentally challenging - I would expect the mental exertion to affect the emotional strain.

In my experience, it is possible to bring parts of the experience back and subject it to analytical and critical thinking, but it is very challenging. The trip does tend to defy comprehension by the normal mode of consciousness, which is why descriptions have the quality you call "vagueness". In short, distilling more than "irreducibly spiritual nonsense" from the trip takes work, not unlike the work of organizing thoughts into a term paper. It can be done, and the more analytical your habits of thought to begin with, the more success I think you could expect.

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