Minor point: It seems unfair to accuse GSAI of being vaporware. It has been less than a year since the GSAI paper came out and 1.5 since Tegmark/Omohundro's Provably Safe paper, and there are many projects being actively funded through ARIA and others that should serve as tests. No GSAI researchers that I know of promised significant projects in 2024 - in fact several explicitly think the goal should be to do deconfusion and conceptual work now and plan to leverage the advances in autoformalization and AI-assisted coding that are coming down the pipe fast. 

While I agree that there are not yet compelling demonstrations, this hardly seems at the level of Duke Nukem Forever!

what are the bottlenecks preventing 10x-100x scaling of Control Evaluations? 

• I'm not confident in the estimates of the safety margin we get from internal only evaluations - the challenge of eliciting strong subversion performance seems very hard for getting satisfactory estimates of the subversion capability of models against control protocols.
• I'd feel more confident if we had thousands of people trying to create red-team models, while thousands of blue teams propose different monitoring methods, and control protocols.
• The type of experiments described in (1,2,3) seem particularly amenable to this type of crowdsourcing competitions.
• This seems like it fits naturally into DefCon-esque (my catchall for the hacker community) security competitions; I think this would be very popular, even without a large monetary prize.
• Success would look like having strong belief that a given control procedure has lower and upper bound estimates for catching the best attempts humanity can make at subverting control procedures w/ (red-teamed models, humans), and ideally have an estimate of the cost of such control protocols.
• I think the reason this would fail is:
  • lack of access to the actual frontier models (perhaps a lab could partner with a competition organizer, or rely on good open source models)
  • lack of good data collection necessary to have confidence in the results or outcomes, metrics might be hard to meaningfully create.
  • would the competition reflect the local conditions of frontier labs well enough that labs can generalize from the results? Ideally you have a consortium effort helping to ensure the setup reflects reality.
  • generally operationally difficult to coordinate lots of people.

Are there others?

I think more leaders of orgs should be trying to shape their organizations incentives and cultures around the challenges of "crunch time". Examples of this include:

• What does pay look like in a world where cognitive labor is automated in the next 5 to 15 years? Are there incentive structures (impact equity, actual equity, bespoke deals for specific scenarios) that can help team members survive, thrive, and stay on target?
• What cultural norms should the team have to AI assisted work? On the one hand it seems necessary to accelerate safety progress, on the other I expect many applications are in fact trojan horses designed to automate people out of jobs (looking at you MSFT rewind) - are there credible deals to be made that can provide trust?
• Does the organization expect to be rapidly changing to new events in AI - and if so how will sensemaking happen - or does it expect to make it's high conviction bet early on and stay the course through distractions? Do teammembers know that?

I have more questions than answers, but the background level of stress and disorientation for employees and managers will be rising, especially in AI Safety orgs, and starting to come up w/ contextually true answers (I doubt there's a universal answer) will be important.

This post was one of my first introductions to davidad's agenda and convinced me that while yes it was crazy, it was maybe not impossible, and it led me to working on initiatives like the multi-author manifesto you mentioned. 

Thank you for writing it!

I would be very excited to see experiments with ABMs where the agents model fleets of research agents and tools. I expect in the near future we can build pipelines where the current fleet configuration - which should be defined in something like the terraform configuration language - automatically generates an ABM which is used for evaluation, control, and coordination experiments.

• Cumulative Y2K readiness spending was approximately $100 billion, or about $365 per U.S. resident.
• Y2K spending started as early 1995, and appears t peaked in 1998 and 1999 at about $30 billion per year.

https://www.commerce.gov/sites/default/files/migrated/reports/y2k_1.pdf

Ah gotcha, yes lets do my $1k against your $10k.

Given your rationale I'm onboard for 3 or more consistent physical instances of the lock have been manufactured. 

Lets 'lock' it in. 

@Raemon works for me; and I agree with the other conditions.

This seems mostly good to me, thank you for the proposals (and sorry for my delayed response, this slipped my mind).

OR less than three consistent physical instances have been manufactured. (e.g. a total of three including prototypes or other designs doesn't count) 

Why this condition? It doesn't seem relevant to the core contention, and if someone prototyped a single lock using a GS AI approach but didn't figure out how to manufacture it at scale, I'd still consider it to have been an important experiment.

Besides that, I'd agree to the above conditions!