All of Dahlen's Comments + Replies

Dahlen10

Seconded. I've read some stuff from Mark Manson and a lot of the stuff sounded very reasonable and insightful, didn't give me bad vibes. It goes to show that seduction does not have to be an adversarial process.

The second paragraph as well – tastes vary, and a certain typology may embody the ideal of some kinds of people, but fail to resonate with others. In particular, among people and especially among women who like to think of themselves as intellectuals, the loud-mouthed hunk is a bit of a shorthand for low intelligence, whereas less aggressively mascu... (read more)

Dahlen-10

Like an engagement ring? "Oh, you don't want to marry me, that makes you the perfect wife!"

0OrphanWilde
Not quite. A good ally is someone interested in your mutual well-being, and won't accept an offer that costs you more than it benefits them. There are other ways of testing. That is my preferred approach.
Dahlen30

You surely are hoping that's what it means, eh?

No, I'm afraid someone's attractiveness doesn't take them out of the set of people whom it is immoral to emotionally abuse. From an outside perspective, you not getting laid is morally neutral. You reaching into your Jedi mind trick toolbox to get laid at the cost of lowering someone's life quality is very much not morally neutral. Why should she suffer more to get a worse deal? When she could enter a healthy relationship with someone who's attractive and ethical enough not to resort to dirty tricks to get her... (read more)

1Jiro
We are not obliged, in our personal interactions, to refrain from actions which cause other people any amount of harm whatsoever. This being so, there must be a point where an action is bad if it causes a certain amount of harm, but okay if it causes slightly less harm. That being so, "less harm because they are more attractive and can find partners more easily" can be one cause of the slightly less harm.
0Gunslinger
I was asking Lumifer specifically. But because you seem interested I'll put some more pixels into it: Lumifer's post says that their price of dumping someone is generally lower, and they can easily find a replacement. If you could be easily replaced, then you'll naturally want a way to stand out. How does one stand out? No crows out there, so no need for straw men, either. Hm.. emotional abuse is a very strong word to use here. If I call that upping my chances, I can say that there are major differences here, but for the sake of our discussion, the most important thing is that one person perceives certain acts to be bad, while the other good. But clearly both of those are binary generalizations. The thing to do in this situation is to sit down and start breaking the machine apart and see which parts are the problem. I absolutely believe we could do that. Let's put things on a continuum instead of polar opposites. I think there's plenty of people who would like a relationship but for whatever reason can't get it. Morally neutral, you got it. The situation could be better? Undeniably. The right way? Pssh.. no crows in the sky. This is a very common argument, and I'd like to point out that at this point you're repeating yourself. But there's something that really bother me with that argument: that it gives too much power to one party and too little to the other. This type of argument implies that women have no way to defend themselves from such mind attacks. I'd like to know if this is really so. In parallel, I would also like to know how many women do defend themselves from those type of attacks. Does it not sound reasonable to be able to protect against damage, especially if you're vulnerable? To all the glasses girls here: wanna have some action? Be quick though - there's a limited supply..
Dahlen00

This is not that kind of country.

Dahlen70

You're doing humanity, women, and your own immortal soul... ehh, moral character a disfavour by listening to that drivel. If you want to get laid, do what everybody else is doing – look good, have lots of friends of both genders, and go to parties where people get very drunk. Tried and trusted. Responsible for 100% of my sexual activity. Buy one today and get one free.

1Viliam
Also: get arrested for rape the next week if the lady doesn't remember that she consented.
Dahlen10

I remember having a conversation with a friend of mine, in which he said he didn't care about looking good for women or catering to them in general. Coupled with the fact that he often complained about not being able to get women, the whole situation seemed rather pathetic. Something about a lost license to complain, methinks.

When I look beyond my own grooming habits, the problem seems widespread. By contrast, and this is essential, there are industries upon industries dedicated to enhancing women's appearance, to which they are drawn irresistibly, often w... (read more)

Dahlen30

You gawk a lot at people and develop an eye for what attractiveness means. Don't ask people, that's almost always useless, unless you happen to run into an expert on this. See what your eye responds positively to. Then evaluating yourself is as easy as keeping a reference feature in your mind up for comparison when you look at yourself. Keep in mind that attractive people are not all identical; there are attractive and unattractive versions and combinations of any trait.

There are also some things you could do to get an eye-opening perspective of yourself –... (read more)

Dahlen00

I know a lot less about it than you might expect. I'm able to recall various tidbits about people's life and culture in who-knows-what historical era, but the "big picture" is very low-res. I don't want to keep having surprises like, "oh, these peoples existed", "hey, Afrikaans sounds Germanic, what's up with that", "I've been listening to a song about this guy for months, but I don't know wtf he did" etc.

0Lumifer
So study the big picture. Who ruled when and in which particular year did a battle take place are not very useful for that.
Dahlen10

Here's, for example, a textbook I was looking into: World History by Duiker & Spielvogel. The table of contents looks pretty much like what I was seeking, though there's less focus on geopolitics and more on the civilisational "big picture" than I would have liked. (Edit: and perhaps if it were thrice the page count it would have been closer to the level of detail I was trying to get.) I was interested in getting a comparison between, for instance, this book and others of the same type.

What I'm trying to remedy is a very poor knowledge of the... (read more)

0Lumifer
Why do you want to know this? You'll forget the great majority of this data in half a year.
Dahlen30

Does anyone have a recommendation for a comprehensive history textbook, covering ancient as well as modern history, and several geographical regions? Just something to teach me about major events and dates, wars, rulers & dynasties, interactions between civilisations, etc., without neglecting the non-geopolitical aspects of history. College-level, please. (A dumbed-down alternative to what I'm asking would be to start looking for my old high school textbooks, but obviously that wouldn't be very satisfactory.) Comprehensive accounts of single civilisati... (read more)

2Risto_Saarelma
Can't recommend a book I've read, but I've had J.M. Roberts' The New Penguin History of the World on my reading list for a while now. It's more big picture than facts. If you're after rulers, dates and the like, just diving into wikipedia, starting from high-level articles and taking your own notes might not be a terribly bad approach.
1Vaniver
There's a lot of history. Something that covers both ancient and modern history is going to be something like Sapiens (my summary) or the Big History Project. But Sapiens is about a particular viewpoint of history / the general arc drawn through the datapoints, not the datapoints themselves. Consider, for example, a request for a book on all of science. The only real thing that could be recommended is a book on the scientific method, or a general history of the most important scientific ideas, but nothing that could be considered "comprehensive." To just grab four history books off my shelf, I have a 300 page one on the history of materials and material science (and how that impacted economics and politics), a 420 page book detailing the evidence for evolution over the last ~500 years in Britain, a 900 page book that tersely describes important cultural works and events in Western civilization over the last 500 years, and another 900 page book that describes four distinct cultural groups in Britain that are the ancestors of the major cultural forces in the modern US.
Dahlen50

What kind of phenomena are we talking about? You should specify if you're referring more narrowly to social and historical phenomena, because that's where the biggest gaps between what one can say on the surface about them and what actually drove them are. It's also a very murky area in regards to specifying causality.

The only reasonably effective method I've tried for this is to first read the Wikipedia article, to get an overview of the objective facts, events, numbers and so on, then try to find press articles about the topic, which are less objective but include more details.

Dahlen10

Thanks! Real estate. Around here the market's just picking up, so hopefully this is a good time to enter the field.

Dahlen470

... Do you ever talk about anything else other than your lack of sexual success? Alright, granted – I saw a few posts from you on cryonics. What would it take to steer you towards posting more of that and less of this? It's largely off-topic for LW, off-putting as well, and irrelevant to anyone who is not you. I get that it's something that concerns you deeply, but seriously, try getting advice on that one on a specialised forum.

Dahlen50

Aced an interview for a high-paying job in a field in which I had no previous experience. A while ago I had asked what jobs that don't require domain-specific skills get a large boost from intelligence – well, it turns out getting interviewed is one of those "jobs". Spent some 2 weeks preparing a resume and answer sheet for the proposed questions, showed up to the interview very well-dressed and tried to put my best self on display without outright lying through my teeth.

Now, all I have to do is not prove myself to act like a five-year-old burden... (read more)

1gjm
Congratulations! (Would you care to say what sort of job?)
Dahlen40

This is a good occasion for relying on natural rather than artificial intelligence. Here's a list of style suggestions that can be made by Word. It checks for a lot of things that can be considered bad style in some contexts but not in others, and to my knowledge it's not smart enough to differentiate between different genres. (For example, it can advise you both against passive voice – useful for writing fiction, sometimes – and against use of first-person personal pronouns, which is a no-no in professional documents. If it needs mentioning, sometimes you... (read more)

Dahlen10

It happened to me only with people who were extremely, unreasonably cynical about people's rationality in the first place (including their own). People who couldn't update on the belief of people being unable to update on their beliefs. There's an eerie kind of consistency about these people's beliefs, at least for that much one can give them credit...

You have to engage in some extra signaling of having changed your own mind; just stating it wouldn't be as convincing.

Dahlen80

Plausible deniability, dude. It's much easier to dispel the awkwardness of rejection if you can reasonably fall back on the claim that, hey, maybe coffee was all you wanted anyway. Successful courtship depends on making the other person feel comfortable around you; it's a human relationship, not resource extraction, and it has to be framed in appropriate terms. (Edit: oh, sorry, I thought I was replying to advancedatheist; removed a sentence that assumed this.)

In table format. The second strategy is much more likely to lead to (2,1) than to (2,2).

1skeptical_lurker
I get that it's not resource extraction, but its not espionage either, and I personally don't see the need for 'I can neither confirm nor deny that I want sex'. I also get that its about making people feel comfortable. I'm more comfortable if people are fairly upfront about what they want, but I get that it's just me who feels this way. I'm really bad at picking up on subtext, I have conversations like this: Other person: "We're spending a lot of time together, its almost like we're being a couple." Me: "Yeah, we have been hanging out a lot." several months later... Oh. I get it now. Why couldn't he just say he wanted a relationship? And things can get even worse if one person thinks coffee means sex and one thinks it means coffee. I know a girl who has been accidentally raped because of drunken misunderstandings. BTW I'm impressed that you went to the fuss of making a table :)
Dahlen40

a copy of RAZ?

You say this as if it's supposed to score style points with people. Most would probably think you're a paid salesman for the authors. If you value the advice within this much, maybe you should just read it until you're familiar with most main points, rather than carry it around.

Edit: Also, people are pants at borrowing other people's standards for interpersonal evaluation. Seeing yourself on a camera improves things, but only somewhat; if you have a socially unacceptable aspect of yourself that's at the same time ego-syntonic, then by the gods that aspect is going to stay with you and hinder you.

5Elo
RAZ is a free book. and was a joking way to describe, "consider what subcultures you subscribe to when you naturally walk around" I would suggest carrying a book as a good way to start an easy-conversation with someone who thinks you are the kind of person who reads books. easy filter for easy conversation.
2Lumifer
What is RAZ?
Dahlen40

Superficially good looks and good manners, perhaps.

Advice: make sure the impression continues well after your first few hours/days with the person. I seem to have a 0% retention rate for friends. At some point after our first encounter, all seem to decide there's something off about me. Perhaps my mistakes include: using our newfound trust to reveal some true oddities (people seem to distinguish between normal quirks and odd quirks, as strange as that may be, and I ain't even very far into "odd quirk" territory), and not having a proper understanding of how relationships progress – therefore, keeping in touch either too much or not at all.

0[anonymous]
I was making light of the hurtful comment above implying that I shouldn't have kids (meaning I'd make a bad parent, or that I'd be passing on bad genes, or that I can't).
Dahlen30

That's something you might want to go by. Not me. I don't thrive in controversy nearly as much as you. The topics on which LessWrongers go hivemind-y about can very easily be sidestepped without incurring downvotes; medium to low karma percentages more often indicate that the poster has a penchant for getting himself into every controversial shit the site has to offer.

0Lumifer
It wasn't my comment and I don't have a strong opinion on the matter. I suspect it was at least half tongue-in-cheek, anyway.
Dahlen10

I actually meant to ask at some point whether the Username account would have protection against people changing passwords willy-nilly, but I didn't because, you know... information hazards and all that. Didn't want to give people the idea. But now that it's happened, I suppose I could ask retrospectively: how come nobody ensured some protection against that?

4ChristianKl
Because in general a forum that's designed to allow anonymous comments would allow anonymous comments and not let people go through the hack of using a separate account for it. The account wasn't created by any moderator but simple by a using who thinks that such an account would be good to have. While being in infohazard territory: It's not only possible to change passwords. It's also possible to delete accounts.
Dahlen100

My impression is that prolific posters show up on the Top Contributors list more often than low-post-count, high-karma posters. And, of course, worst of all they don't get ranked by positive karma percentage, or by karma per post. Somebody posting a good article in Main seems to be a less common cause of showing up on the list than high output.

For that reason, I don't see it as having a positive motivational effect either. I pay loads of attention to my positive karma percentage, none at all to karma in absolute terms. If I wanted to be on the list, my bes... (read more)

2Lumifer
I've seen a suggestion in a comment here that you don't want your positive karma percentage to be near 100%, because it indicates you are being consumed by the hive mind.
Dahlen30

Might have gotten better at calibration. I've been bookmarking about 55 items of various prices on a wishlist, and wanted to figure out their total price. I could have made an Excel document with all the prices, but I lazed out of it and assumed their average price was 400 (of my local currency), and computed a total from that. Eventually I did make the spreadsheet. Lo and behold, the calculated average really was 400.48! It's probably my most accurate estimation to date. (Sure enough, n=1, but other instances of calibration haven't been so accurate as to be this memorable.)

Now, to actually get to earn the money for that total price...

Dahlen40

A more accurate impression is basically always one that notices more mistakes. Besides, after some time passes every flaw in my performance becomes painfully obvious to me, most likely because the piece is no longer in my recent memory and therefore probably no longer subject to this unconscious attempt to gloss over mistakes.

And of course, after a while, you just develop an intuition for this kind of thing.

Dahlen80

Bias in action: I practice my singing by doing voice recordings with my phone and then listening to them for feedback. (2 years and going, the improvement has been tremendous, I went from ashamed to somewhat proud of my singing voice.) I've been noticing myself physically clench up while listening to pieces of particularly... uncertain quality. It's a state of muscle tension that tends to accompany a mental state of defensiveness about my performance. As if I'm exerting effort in an attempt to squeeze every drop of appreciation from my perception. I certai... (read more)

3[anonymous]
How do you measure accuracy separately?
Dahlen30

Assuming you're doing the book justice and it really can be summarized as such, it comes off as an instance of the STEM mindset overstepping its boundaries. Did the author have any familiarity with the social sciences? I understand that the whole idea was to import the hard-science paradigm into the study of how to ensure the success of societies, but I've read scientifically-minded commentaries on society that didn't seem this... off. It's like he doesn't even know how the other side of academia approaches the matter, which I find hard to believe given th... (read more)

3hairyfigment
From reading his later book, I got the impression that he let himself get carried away easily with his ideas. Bayesian thought hadn't yet become respectable; so while he talks a lot about "the logic of probability", and much of what he says about it seems exactly right, he never seems to use the laws of probability or lessons drawn from them. He'll talk about the importance of recognizing uncertainty, and then suggest we should have known a priori the Universe was finite but unbounded. I don't know if he ever really tried to disprove his more unique ideas, or find evidence to distinguish them from alternative hypotheses. On the other hand, I wonder if mainstream semiotics committed even greater crimes against probability, in which case the honest people in the field might have benefited from some Korzybski.
3Viliam
Yeah, there is a risk I missed or misunderstood something important. I would appreciate if someone else would also read the book and either confirm what I wrote or add what I missed. The book it quite easy to find on the... uhm... shop. That was my impression, too. Actually, I think I toned it down a lot. Well, this was the less famous of his books; the other one was written 12 years later and I am starting to read it now. Also, the guy was rather impressive in his era -- maybe it's because most of his good ideas already became so popular that they seem obvious in hindsight, and only the wrong ones stand out in the text.
Dahlen00

Hence the qualifier "basically". I'm aware of a few exceptions related to products marketed to the 18-25 (or even 18-35) age range.

Dahlen40

Well, that's quite the coincidence – so did I! My German has been in need of revision for many years, and I was pretty surprised to see just how much I had forgotten. Also signed up for a project on teaching my own language through English; waiting to see what comes out of it.

1Viliam
My username on Duolingo is "Viliam1234". We can test the "Compete with your friends" feature.
Dahlen90

This whole subthread stinks of Dunning-Kruger. Youthful savvy? Cultish following? Guilt about not using Facebook? Putting internet sales on par with a revolutionary movement spanning several countries? That doesn't sound like you know what you're talking about.

I don't know exactly who you're supposed to persuade, but your track record so far on LessWrong shows that you barely manage to break even with your karma, and that you lack the level of self-awareness of a socially well-adapted person. Whoever you successfully persuade would have to be even more obl... (read more)

-3[anonymous]
You're making a strawman. Internet mobilisers for the Arab Spring weren't all George Washingtons. There are countless others who helped in whatever small way they could that was neither trivial nor grandiose at an individual level, as you're implying with DK. I post on LessWrong that which I won't post elsewhere. It's not that I'm exceptionally deviant, it's more that I can compartmentalise all that odd thinking in one place, here, as a testing ground. That which makes it into the realm of the world I wholeheartedly accept, and those that make it to bank of things I'll signal is far more restrictive and mainstream. It doesn't seem ad hominem at all. It's an insightful analysis which I appreciate. Well the whole point of the thread is to do that. That's why I posted it. I don't agree with that generalisation. I suspect you're just projecting your own feelings about those categories of people. Feel free to update me with a more generalisable fact that you can back up with evidence I'll have reason to believe is transportable to my facebook audience, while noting how you found that evidence (i.e. don't search for 'facebook sales people piss people of', search for 'facebook sales peoples attitudes'. See before you weren't ad hominin, but I suspect now you're going to stereotype, discriminate or vilify me based on my answer or whatever you expect it to be. How would you like it if I asked you at the end of highly critical post:
3Jiro
In the area of computers, particularly things related to computers that appeared relatively recently and which youths are more inclined to use, it often is such an indicator.
Dahlen20

Is the imperative mood the new way to convince people of an ethical theory on LessWrong these days, or something?

Dahlen10

Pick something from the context that has potential to lead to an interesting conversation, and start talking a little more passionately about it. Alternately, splinter the group into one-on-one conversations.

Dahlen00

It's an okayish exercise in brainstorming, one that, if nothing else, should drive home the point that there is a plurality of goals which can be pursued, and that they're not necessarily commensurable on a single good-bad scale.

I was trying to do something similar, but under the broader umbrella of values rather than just goals – in that from values derive not just goals, but also virtues, vices and worldviews. The other difference is that values can be of maintenance rather than of maximization or change. Another thing I was working on compiling (but for... (read more)

1Elo
I don't expect any ritual more complicated to even be tried by someone. Not sure how to ritualise this task in a way that makes it equally do-able and more likely to cause progress...
Dahlen30

That's fine, but could you please change the font to the default one? Comic Sans is... ehh, not the best choice for most things.

8Elo
My eternal apologies - I don't see it these days because I browse with this - Comic sans browsing for chrome. https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/comicsans/gjdmedkdcpefbnnkiogiiejipfepjdhm?hl=en It's delightful.
Dahlen00

Possibly, but how about any job at all?

Dahlen20

What examples are there of jobs which can make use of high general intelligence, that at the same time don't require rare domain-specific skills?

I have some years of college left before I'll be a certified professional, and I'm good but not world-class awesome at a variety of things, yet judging by encounters with some well and truly employed people, I find myself wondering how come I'm either not employed or duped into working for free, while these doofuses have well-paying jobs. The answer tends to be, for lack of trying on my part, but it would be quite... (read more)

1Lumifer
A manager :-) A business manager, a small business owner, a civil servant, a dictator, a leader of the free world :-/ Generally speaking, there is something of a Catch-22 situation. The low-level entry jobs are easy to get into, but they don't really care about your intelligence. But high-level jobs where intelligence matters require demonstration not only of intelligence, but also of the ability to use it which basically means they want to see past achievements and accomplishments. There are shortcuts, but they are usually called "graduate schools".
0Shmi
Apply your general intelligence to figuring out what you are especially good at, then see if there are relevant paid jobs.
3btrettel
Programming is a skill, but not a particularly rare one. Beyond a certain level of intelligence, I don't think there's much if any correlation between programming ability and intelligence. Moreover, I think programming is one area where standard credentials don't matter too much. If you have a good project on GitHub, that can be enough. gwern wrote something related before: Personally, I think going off raw intelligence doesn't work so well, especially if you'll be reinventing the wheel because of your lack of domain knowledge. Getting rare skills which are in demand is a smart strategy, and you'd be better off going that route. Here's a good book built on that premise.
2ChristianKl
There are plenty people in MENSA who don't have high paying jobs.
Dahlen30

Oh, I wasn't suggesting that; I was just hoping that whoever has been exclusively posting from that account can take a hint and consider using LW the typical way. It's confusing to see so many posts at once by that account and not know whether there's one person or several using it.

Dahlen60

Meta: How come there have been so many posts recently by the generic Username account? More people wanting to preserve anonymity, or just one person who can't be bothered to make an account / own up to most of what they say?

4Elo
I think its a reasonable solution to people not wanting to make an account or also the occasional anonymous post. I have used it once or twice to make separate comments. But I should add that you can see a list of your nearest meetups if you set your location on your own account. Edit: holy hell the person who posted all the OT comments here is really annoying and should make an account and stop link-dropping. If the account is being abused that bad we should shut it down and I would change my vote in the poll.
7Username
The similar formatting of the comments suggests that in this thread it's mostly one person with a lot of links to share. Personally, I just haven't been bothered to make an account, and have been using the username account exclusively for about 5 years. I'd estimate 30-50% of all the posts on the account were made by me over this timeframe, though writing style suggests to me that a good number of people have used it as a one-shot throwaway, and several people have used it many times.
4ChristianKl
That leaves the question of whether that's okay or whether we should simply disable the account. [pollid:1013]
6Vaniver
My dominant hypothesis is at least three people who couldn't be bothered to make accounts, and that this has further normalized the usage of Username as a generic lurker account.
Dahlen50

You know, you don't have to jump on him and demand that he defends his socialist stance merely because he expressed it and tried to discuss it with someone else. It's not like he's answerable to you for being a socialist. And this is not the first time I've seen you and others intervene in a discussion (that otherwise didn't involve or concern them) solely for calling out people on leftist ideas. What the hell are you doing that for?

3[anonymous]
Since he brought a downvote brigade, I'm indeed going to refrain from engaging. Those who want to know more can follow the link I posted up-thread, which goes to a leading socialist magazine to which I subscribe.
-6Lumifer
Dahlen00

Setting out to do so is the first and hardest step to take, so congrats! But, of course, the work doesn't end here. As I understand it, someone who's reasonable means one who can be reasoned with, i.e. someone who accepts and occasionally yields to persuasion attempts, and doesn't shut others off through obstinacy or abrasive, uncooperative treatment. In some ways it's the antonym of intransigence. It can also mean someone who possesses enough common sense to facilitate interactions based on a shared view of how the world works.

You may reduce your likeliho... (read more)

027chaos
Perhaps "Everyone has the right to listen to their own mind."
Dahlen150

Wasn't there a less passive-aggressive way of expressing this complaint, or a more appropriate context for it?

Dahlen00

I suppose it depends on how different the second language is from your native language. As in, Dutch may not offer a big boost in new ways of framing the world for a native German speaker, for instance, since they're closely related languages. (This depends on what you mean when you say "cognitive benefits"; I'm assuming here some form of the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis.)

In my case, I have found English especially adaptable (when compared to my native language) when it came to new words (introduced, for example, for reasons of technological advancemen... (read more)

Dahlen40

Is this a revival of the Munchkin Ideas thread?

0Gunnar_Zarncke
The what? I see: This post. Indeed it is close.
Dahlen50

Your preferences are quite welcome as well; I personally enjoy your posts and would like to encounter them on Omnilibrium. I remembered the website having had a Philosophy category, but since then apparently the categories got re-organised.

It's often difficult to draw the line between object-level and meta-level, so I don't think such a re-categorisation would be meaningful or achieve much, but if we could play around with existing categories to include political philosophy in a more general sense, over time it will probably fill up with the sort of meta-l... (read more)

Dahlen00

It is about sticking with it when a) you have a long and sequential thing to write, such as a book, b) you're in people's RSS feed or something and they expect to see stuff from you, and c) you haven't yet hit diminishing returns in writing skill.

I strongly suggest experimenting with a dialogue rather than authorship format for expressing your ideas for the time being. Many people are better debaters than they are writers, and the nature of dialogue pushes you to explore an idea more fully (before you can expect the other to accept it), gives you ready-mad... (read more)

Dahlen-10

You can't really write for the sake of writing as a process, especially on a blog. A lot of the motivation to write arises out of the desire to... express, or to do service to some idea. It's an act of communication, and the message is paramount. If there is no message compelling you to communicate it, then maybe you should consider that writing too little is not your main problem here -- rather, not having enough or sufficiently strong interests.

There are times when one would be better advised not to write, such as when one is still a novice student of th... (read more)

0[anonymous]
Thanks for that -- I think I've been conned by the people who claim that writing is more about sticking with it than inspiration. I'm interested in a lot of things, but nothing so much that I have anything worthwhile to say about it. I think my desire to write comes from a perceived guilt in only consuming information and media and not producing anything.
Dahlen00

No, the subject expects the experiment to end with him being able to make a meaningful choice, but unbeknownst to him it is scheduled to take a different turn. He doesn't know that an option will be taken away, much less which one and on what criterion.

The "demo" time is included to help him decide which one he would then take home.

Dahlen10

Suppose an agent has to choose between two main options. He can choose neither or either, but not both. His preference for each of the options is unknown, probably even by the agent himself (behaviour during the experiment signals indecision). Picture the experiment akin to a subject getting to make a pick between two useable objects such as toys, cars, gadgets etc. He is allowed to play/experiment with both of them during the experiment. Throughout the experiment, he exhibits a moderate preference for one of them, and spends more time using it.

Then, the e... (read more)

5Elo
This experiment has been done with various paintings. it goes something like this: * experimenter offers ~30 paintings to subject * Subject rates paintings 1-10 * experimenter concludes by saying; we would like to give you a painting to keep, if you want it. (painting happens to be a 3-4 on the scale of their evaluations) * experimenter leaves and comes back days or weeks later * experimenter asks subject how they like painting (1-10) or to evaluate the whole set of paintings again. * subject now rates the painting they got to keep as higher than previously. * experiment was also done on people with altzheimers and the same effect was found even when the patient had no memory of the previous experiment or the experimenter. Sorry I don't have a name or a link to the papers, but it was at least a few years ago. Something about cognitive dissonance I believe; about how you wouldn't accept the painting unless you liked it therefore you convince yourself that you like it more than you did.
0Slider
I kinda inferred that the subject is aware on how their decision will impact the future of the experiment (ie that it will be the basis of which option is removed). I first time almost read it as if a random choice was removed and the focus would be whether which one was removed impacted their opinions. I am also unclear on what significance the choice is supposed to be. If I choose a toy to play with for 5 minutes, 3 hours or get to own after the experiment those are kinda different choice situations.
Dahlen20

This got fixed in the meantime.

0ChristianKl
Successful integration of feedback :)
Dahlen10

I tried to engage with the title question, but something in my mind was rebelling against receiving the discussion already framed in these terms.

What's the larger point here? Once you know whether it is or is not stupid, what does that say about greed?

2Adam Zerner
I'm glad you're thinking about that! 1) I'm not sure, and I'd like to hear others' thoughts on that. 2) If greed is stupid, and if people recognized that, then I think society would be much better off. Because it seems that a lot of people make society a lot worse off in their pursuit of greed. This obviously begs the question of how to get people to recognize it (if it's true).
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