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I think being personally responsible for a googleplex^googleplex dust specks arriving in a googleplex^googleplex eyes is a worse thing than that that can happen to a person.

5Jiro
Yes, of course. So at least two things are worse than it.

This little arc starts here and has a few gems.

Dr. Bunnigus: Are there 'bots (nano-machines creating new neural pathways) in my brain?

Petey: Nope. I don't need them. Your brain is working correctly. All I need to do is explain things to you, and you'll be able to make the right choice.

-Exchange between Dr. Bunnigus and the Benevolent Overlord AI (Petey) that turned the galactic core into a power generator. Schlock Mercenary 2015-07-25 by Howard Taylor

2wadavis
This little arc starts here and has a few gems.

This Video Will Make You Angry by CGP Grey discusses the meme-ic virility of controversial arguments.

A few different sources have also discussed the idea that we are out of the Age of Information, and into the Age of Attention, and that attention is the currency of the day.

Now, has anyone found these ideas combined in a short online text or video to present the idea that: If you find an idea to be ideologically offensive, the best way to fight it is to not engage it in argument but to starve it of attention and let the cat photo and inspirational quote weeds of social media grow over what ever fertile soil it may have found.

2g_pepper
Great video! But I agree with Lumifer that ignoring bad ideas is not always the answer. Many bad ideas are kind of marginal and if you ignore them they'll wither. Others will catch on. Even if they die off eventually, they can cause a lot of damage before they do (the 20th century provides ample evidence of this, and the 21 is providing addition evidence).
3Lumifer
...then you should consider disengaging the concepts of "idea" and "offensive". That depends. Some ideas will wither and die, but some will spread like weeds without opposition. I don't know how to decide ex ante what will happen to an idea ignored.

This Video Will Make You Angry by CGP Grey is a great discussion on the meme-ic virility of controversial arguments.

The typical theme is reference material on one screen, and working material on the other screen. The equivalent of having all your reference material open on your desk so you are not flipping back an forth through notes.

Edit: Read The Intelligent Use of Space by David Kirsh as recommended by this LessWrong post.

It is because you forgot to pack TP. Bring TP and things will be ok.

1DataPacRat
:) Don't worry, I've got the essentials. And enough luxuries, like a folding solar panel, that I could head out for a week or more, if I were so inclined, and bought an upgrade to my cellphone dataplan. Considering from various perspectives, a trip to some nearby city and staying at an Airbnb or hotel raises more interest than disquiet; so it seems to be something about going camping, rather than taking a trip, which is bothering me. An imagined day-hike only raises questions about transportation, not unease, so it seems to be something about overnighting. Cooking? Water source? Sleeping? First-aid kit? Emergency plans in case of zombie outbreak (or more probable disasters)? I can't quite put my finger on it. And since almost the whole point of such a trip is to /improve/ my psychological condition by the end of it, I'm starting to feel a tad annoyed at myself for being less than clear about my motivations to me. :P

Of course, refusing to examine oneself is the shortest distance to becoming an a**hole.

YorkNecromancer @ belloflostsouls

Upvote for references, links, and avoiding weak anecdotal evidence.

And they never claim to be doing science (other than that "For Science" tag, but who would take that seriously on an entertainment website?). They are introducing the idea that our minds have flaws and are full of bias to their audience through highly relatable example material.

I don't know if the Kadala bug is real, and I don't care, that is a tree in the forest. And the article is about the forest. (If the Kadala bug is real, that is just poor fact checking. The lesson on Confirmation Bias still stands.)

A few comments from my experience, these may not be applicable to all circumstances.

I found material to have a digestion time, to much material too fast and I would stop learning. If understanding A depends on understanding B, which depends on C, It was easier to learn C, and sleep on it, then learn and sleep on B, then A. As opposed to taking ABC all in one bite. In addition to the short term, I experienced this in the long term; I would frequently look back at courses from the previous years and wonder how I ever found them challenging. When I had Calcul... (read more)

14 Ways Cognitive Biases Hamper Your Diablo Toon

It is actually titled "How Your Mind Screws with You in Games Like Diablo". Not novel material, but novel to see on a gaming website.

2Lumifer
While all good points (and the tag is "For Science!") they aren't really doing science. Take the first case, the belief that rapidly clicking Kadala will affect what you get. Is it true or not? You don't know until you test it. It is not true in the idealized world where Kadala has a perfect RNG. But it may or may not be true in the real world where a click triggers a message to the server and, depending on the latency, rapid clicks could tickle some bug involving a race condition or out-of-order messages or something like that. It's not like Diablo is known to be entirely bug-free :-/ You don't get to say "actually" unless you actually tested it.

Plan A: Change your environment; spend three hours a day preparing a proposal for management/ownership to work as a contractor paid by entry opposed to an employee paid by the hour. Find the relevant tax and overhead savings to make this a mutually beneficial arrangement. Find out who in management/ownership can approve your proposal and who it just creates headaches for, buy beer for both.

I understand that goes against the spirit of your question, that your work environment may be to rigid, management that could approve the proposal are out of reach of th... (read more)

“That which can be destroyed by the truth should be.”

I couldn't find the sequence that covers it directly, but going through my old journals, this one came up repeatedly while facing hard decisions.

1Viliam
"Feeling Rational" mentions it.

As an aside, arguments that use infinite time come up enough that I'm trying to find a brief graphic or write up that teaches ∞/(2*∞)=1/2 and the ∞/(∞^2)=0. Any pointers?

I don't know what infinity over infinity is, but I suspect that it will be undefined.

This. This matters.

Some infinities are bigger than other infinities.

This is more that metaphor. A exponentially larger infinity divided by a small infinity will be infinity. A exponentially small infinity divided by a large infinity will be zero. A division of proportional infinities will be a real number.

So if the chances of a Boltzamann Brain becomes increasingly less likely as enthropy increases. and enthropy increases as time approaches infinity, you have a div... (read more)

-1wadavis
As an aside, arguments that use infinite time come up enough that I'm trying to find a brief graphic or write up that teaches ∞/(2*∞)=1/2 and the ∞/(∞^2)=0. Any pointers?

Thank you kind stranger for showing me something new. I'm glad to have learnt that.

But to paint the full picture, I used that location password to find my lost phone very rarely. It was mostly used during festivals, conventions, and travelling so that my friends and co-travelers could easily find me. People are uncomfortable adopting it, but it is a real easy fix to the 'I'm here, where are you?' coordination problem.

Made the phone report it's location if you texted it the password. Security updates added hoops to jump through, and FindMyDroid came out for free with all the functionality.

Made the phone autoplay music when headphones were plugged in. I stopped needing these when I got a new car with a bluetooth stereo and stopped using the aux plug in.

3ChristianKl
Even without an App there's also the Android Device Manager.

Yes, as much I could tolerate it.

But yes, we have a fundamental difference of perspectives here.

“The primary thing when you take a sword in your hands is your intention to cut the enemy, whatever the means. Whenever you parry, hit, spring, strike or touch the enemy’s cutting sword, you must cut the enemy in the same movement. It is essential to attain this. If you think only of hitting, springing, striking or touching the enemy, you will not be able actually to cut him. More than anything, you must be thinking of carrying your movement through to cutting him.”

Miyamoto Musashi wrote, in The Book of Five Rings:

Musashi spoke of swordsmanship here, bu... (read more)

3[anonymous]
I think we could write a book about our fundamental disagreement, but I’ll just ask one question… Let’s imagine a machine that improves any of your skills at twice your normal rate of improvement. All you have to do is think of what you want to improve, and then connect your brain to the machine. After one hour connected to the machine, it is as if you practiced that skill for two hours. Unfortunately, the machine transmits the greatest amount of pain imaginable while it is in use - every inch of your body is a throbbing firecracker of agony. Would you ever use this machine?

No. What does a week of bliss give you? Nothing but a fond memory. (I'm assuming you don't gain the mental regroup and recovery affect associated with vacations)

A week of bliss builds nothing, and a wirehead bliss does not improve yourself. You have learnt nothing from that week. As far as future prosperity goes it is the same as a week of work drudgery in which no growth happens.

1[anonymous]
Agreed, you would not be more capable after the vacation. Your prospects would not improve. But surely, you must indulge yourself occasionally and Mac’s Wirehead Homestead seems like the best place for that.

Many philosophies of life fall apart on the cosmic macro scale. Lets not move the goalpost into post-transhumanism, it is clear that is not what ZankerH is talking about.

I like how this touches on respecting the agency of others. The idea that: I do not like how you operate, but I will respect that you are a thinking person, and for that reason alone, deserving of respect.

This greatly reduced the cognitive dissonance. Thanks.

No legal grounds, it is very much the equivalent of quitting within the first 90 days (I think, I'll look it up if it matters).

There is the ethical consideration, but that is the one of the hard truths of life; employment is not secure until you've already been working for 90 days. And then, only slightly more so.

So, in short: it would be bad sense for them to stop searching for a candidate, as a back up should I cancel and as potential future hires. And they would be naive to think I've stopped my job hunt, not all lines of inquiry resolve at the same rat... (read more)

I'm on a job hunt and I've put the word out through several avenues. One of my early applications came back with an offer that passed my satisficing limits. I accepted it to tie it down and to allow me to give early notice.

Now some of my other lines of inquiry are turning up promising, competitive offers. And my brain refuses to take them seriously, it is committed to the first offer and will not take an unbiased assessment of anything else on the table.

This is a problem. I'm going to re-read Hold Off On Proposing Solutions and Seeing with Fresh Eyes to lo... (read more)

3gjm
Are there legal or ethical considerations? I mean, you've accepted an offer somewhere and presumably they've stopped their search for candidates; do you feel, or might you be legally, obliged to take it? (I would be surprised if they had any legal case against you, and even more surprised if they had enough of a case to be worth pursuing. But if I were in your situation I'd feel quite guilty if I accepted a job offer and then took another job instead.)
8Vaniver
Physically write a letter to the first offerer, thanking them for the offer but telling them you've found a better position, and hoping that they find another suitable candidate. Sign it. You don't have to actually send the letter (until you decide to take another position, and even then an email will be better), but it may help you alieve that you are not committed to the first offer.

Thank for putting up this branch Evan, I don't have children. I think my raising helped my rationality, but the lens of time is known to distort, so take it with a grain of salt.

Most of my rationality influence was a lead by example case. Accountability and agency were encouraged too, they may have made fertile soil for rational thought.

Ethics conversations were had and taken seriously (paraphrase: 'Why does everyone like you?' 'Cause I always cooperate' 'Don't people defect against you?' 'Yes, but defectors are rare and I more than cover my losses when d... (read more)

And what is your take on the A-Teamist Face-Planner team structure? Do you see it as similar to the Hero-Sidekick structure as described by Swimmer963? How about the 007-Q relationship?

There are too many fictional examples in this discussion, any non-anecdotal real life case studies?

-1Lumifer
Developing a full-blown classification of relationship types here seems to be a tad excessive :-) Let me just point out that the leader-peon type (see e.g. this) is not quite the same thing as the hero-sidekick type. In real life I, for example, have zero desire to be either a hero or a sidekick. Accordingly, none of my relationships, either work or personal, can be described as hero-sidekick ones.

Upvoting is not sufficient given the very difference perspectives in the comments here.

I read the above article and nodded along the way thinking 'this is insightful and adds a great context to discuss and think about many industrious relationships' never once did gender cross my mind. I was floored to see it a major item in the comments.

I am male. I have high testosterone. I love competing and winning. I am ambitious and driven. I like to make a lot of money. I make a lot of money. I prefer the sidekick role.

Ditto. I've never identified as subservient... (read more)

8Nornagest
...given some assumptions about the mathematical structure of argument that probably don't hold for humans, rationalist or otherwise. Aumann is a remarkable result in many ways, but it's not one that neatly lends itself to social engineering.
1Lumifer
I think that the hero-sidekick framework is just wrong for most kinds of relationships.

Dagny Taggart and Eddie Willers.

Ok,

  • The steel piping specification API 5L only includes temperature ratings down to 0 degrees celsius.

  • The rent of an acceptable apartment near downtown Edmonton is $975 per month.

  • The National Building Code has a clause to derate the minimum design loads for areas converted into dining areas, but does not allow for the same derating on new construction.

1wadavis
Ok, * The steel piping specification API 5L only includes temperature ratings down to 0 degrees celsius. * The rent of an acceptable apartment near downtown Edmonton is $975 per month. * The National Building Code has a clause to derate the minimum design loads for areas converted into dining areas, but does not allow for the same derating on new construction.

Oh god, the scrolling, the cumative man-hours I've wasted. How did I never see this before.

The Aes Sedai society is a limited example, I had trouble remembering the names of any other bonded pairs where both characters were developed and the warden fit the willing, mentally healthy, sidekick role. The wardens were a case study in the reverse Bechdel test.

In that entire story, Lan was an exception that he embraced his sidekickness.

2Manfred
Now I feel like a bad person because I can't remember Verin's warder's name :( Ooh, or Adaleas and Vandene's sweet old-man warder. (Looked them up - Tomas and Jaem)
0[anonymous]
I don't remember any, either. Doesn't Taim end up bonding with an Aes Sedai? I know at least some of the Asha'man did. I suppose the triple bond on Rand is an example....? Ick.

Marie Curie and Pierre Curie

7JoshuaZ
I'm not sure how good an example that is. Pierre Curie was an extremely successful scientist in his own right.

Moiraine Damodred and Al'Lan Mandragoran

Tiffany Aching and Rob Anybody

0[anonymous]
SPOILERS FOR AN ANCIENT FANTASY SERIES Severely hampered by the fact that Moiraine is fridged for -- what, six, seven books?

Please, have this positive reinforcement. It was given to me when I needed it but I don't need it anymore so I'll pass it on.

This has happened to many of us. We've been in these ruts, I've paid for fuel with nickels and dimes because I used all my quarters on food. Shit happens, problems pile up, but if you can stabilize, that means you can crawl out of the pit. We get overloaded, we can't fix everything at once, it feels like all the problems are too interconnected to fix.

But you are capable and have worth, so treat where you are as the temporary situatio... (read more)

Please feel free to elaborate on your thesis. Control systems engineering sounds a lot like shaping an environment to achieve goals through a rational process. Something we are interested in.

3ZankerH
The working title is "an imaging- and odometry-based localisation and guidance system for land autonomous systems". The abstract, translated:

Are we comfortable saying that this a conflict between ethical altruism and ethical egoism?

I acknowledge the arguments are sound from the altruist perspective. If I argue them, my arguments will not be altruistic. Lets retable this discussion for elsewhere as 'a convince me altruism is better' discussion, without limiting the discussion to post secondary testing. There is a popular perspective that if you are rational, you will agree the altruism is the answer. I'm not convinced of that yet.

If altruism/egoism is too narrow, we can use wants-to-kill-Moloch versus Moloch-can't-be-killed-so-make-your-sacrifice.

1someonewrongonthenet
I'm comfortable with that. I don't think rationality == altruism, but I do think if altruism is your preference than it's irrational to not be altruistic, and I further think the typical human prefers to be altruistic even if they don't realize it yet. I think altruistic humans are happier than non-altruistic ones, and the "warm fuzzy" variants of altruism cause happiness. (Cheating is like the anti warm fuzzy. It is a cold slimy.) Like I said Absent that last clause, you can get into a debate about when altruism is-and-is-not rational (and at that point we're not talking about morality and we are talking about game theory, so we should stop using the word "altruism" and instead use "cooperation"), but since we're all human beings here I implicitly took it as a terminal value. I agree that there can be rational minds that do not work that way.

Cleaning staff collects, washes and returns to storage all mugs daily. Hiding my mug in a drawer is a not-proportional response, the pleasing mug is to ease mental burdens not add to them.

As of this reply, I've spent more energy discussing the absentee mug than dealing with the absentee mug. I believe I'll take a catalog of this discussion to make an absentee mug protection decision tree to aid future less wrongers. Stay posted for results.

P.S. For the record: the mug has been released to the wild, may it bring joy to others, and if it really did love me it will come back. I've filled the gap by putting up an aesthetically pleasing calendar, I forecast that it will be less mobile.

This is the YouTube series - Crash Course World History. In ten minute videos it brings you from the start of agriculture to the modern day covering topics at an elementary level. These videos are produced by the prolific vlogbrothers Hank and John Green, whose material fits under the rationalist and altruistic categories.

But your examples are very technology oriented. So perhaps look at Wheels, Clocks, and Rockets: A History of Technology or Guns, Germs, and Steel.

Even better: History 115: Technology and History syllabus, go to page three for additional ... (read more)

0[anonymous]
Those videos look promising. Thank you. My examples were technology oriented, becuase when I tried to make a non-technological history example, I went blank. Well, I know that there was a World War II, when we kicked down a supervillain, and the name implies that there was another World War, unless it is a misnomer...

The mug. Turns out the simple minimalist style is popular with our technical staff.

2silentbob
The mug is gone. Please provide mug again if possible.
5taryneast
Nice mug

Very true and valid points, especially regarding being hooked up, I overemphasised the work involved. There is no doubt some rationalizing for convenience on top of the very real is/ought mentality (that I was caught in until I had to write a coherent reply).

The below is on how students should exam instead of how professors should exam, which are tangent on your points. But I wrote it, so i'm going to post it.

Don't forget the very students that are 'hooked up' with fraternity exam libraries and StudyBlue (that I'm not familiar with) become the productive ... (read more)

6someonewrongonthenet
Upvote for catching yourself You could say that... or you could say that they don't wish to sacrifice to Moloch. You've got an argument that allows you to give into any and all perverse incentives here. Collectively, you'll lose the prisoner's dilemma, you'll lose the tragedy of the commons, you'll collectively lose in general wherever perverse incentives rear their heads even while individually winning. Where does it end? Why not just pay another student to take the test for you and write your name? Who would notice in a large classroom? It's just smart management to hire people who have a comparative advantage, right? The movers and shakers of tomorrow need to learn that skill! Refusing to play the appearance game is arguably about ego (or counter-signalling, or apathy) but I don't think that applies here because no one actually believes being appearance-conscious is immoral...shallow, at worst, maybe. Rationality is winning, but winning is having the world arranged according to your preferences and most people's preferences include moral preferences. If cheating on a test makes you feel like scum, makes you feel like you've lost, and perpetuates an incentive structure that you'd rather did not exist... how is that rationality?

This is relatively upvoted. Is there a mug related meme I'm missing here?

9NancyLebovitz
I was just curious about what sort of mug could cause so much enthusiasm.

True, but you pick your battles. Or the underlying problem is I find it uncomfortable to tell someone that 'that is my coffee mug'.

1pinyaka
I guess I'm curious about why you couldn't just store your mug in a different place from your co-workers.

For the record, the coffee mug backfired in the office environment. Got my own aesthetically pleasing coffee mug that made me happier at work. Then proceeded to spend social capital getting my mub back from coworkers, then proceeded to worry about wasting social capital on something as insignificant as a mug, then proceeded to waste time doing a cost benefit analysis on having an aesthetically pleasing mug.

2taryneast
Other solutions: 1) write your name on the mug 2) clean and hide your mug in your desk drawer when you leave 3) buy a mug for everyone An alternative to 3 that doesn't leave you out of pocket would be to say "this is my mug that I bought, it's nice isn't it - if you like it so much, why don't you give me $X for it (which is how much I paid) and I'll buy another one for me."
4Lumifer
I think there is an underlying problem here which is not really related to coffee mugs....

Please describe the mug.

Ditto on shoes. Are they walked out, but still usable? Do you think they have another year or another season in them? Nope, go get new shoes.

Ha, I also had professors take the meta on this and reply that: if you have the will to collect, sort, manage, archive and circulate the past course material, you will do just fine in the real world and do our school proud (just as project managers, not technical staff). Good old rationality is winning philosophy.

To be more explicit: This is done by fraternities and sororities. (Or sometimes StudyBlue). I wouldn't exactly say that it's about will - it's mostly about being "hooked up". Also, keep in mind you are punishing students who don't participate due to ethical scruples.

I think professors who take the meta on this are using the is/ought fallacy to rationalize doing what is more convenient.

Do we have a catalog of Not Less Wrong rationality guides?

I know we have the list of rationality blogs, but I'm asking about a collection of material that educates at an entry level of formalized rationality but sits at lower inferential distances that the sequences.

0Vulture
I haven't looked into it much myself, but a couple of people have mentioned RibbonFarm as being something like that.
3JoshuaZ
I'm not aware of such a catalog but there are definitely resources that fit into this category. One good one is You Are Not So Smart.
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