I'm curious about the "sex" exception in "don't use your bed[room?] for anything except sleep and sex". It strikes me as unprincipled. Have they actually tested "doing this in bed is bad for sleep, doing that in bed is bad for sleep, doing the other in bed is bad for sleep... oh, but doing sex in bed is okay"? Does masturbation count?
I mean, it might be a case of anticipating "we have nowhere else to have sex, and we're not giving up sex" and making an exception so people will be more likely to follow it. But then I feel the better exception, at least for certain audiences, would be "don't use your bed for anything that you can conveniently do in other places, except sleep".
Men typically get tired after sex, often very quickly, and this effect seems to be present (but weaker) for masturbation as well.
Sexual activity at night often makes it considerably harder for me to fall asleep. I don't really see how doing any other physical activity before going to sleep is different. I find its casual and automatic inclusion along with 'sleep' as something you can do in bed quite a significant oversight.
In general I would expect topics like this that relate to sex to be badly studied and there to be any taboo's that prevent good scientific work from happening.
If you seek a good alternative, I think that using a massage table for sex is great.
Sleeping on your left side (or at least not on your right side) may help with acid reflux.
A fair number of people who've tried it find that some honey (generally between a teaspoon and a tablespoon) before bedtime improves sleep.
It's quite possible to have sleep apnea without being fat, so check for apnea if your sleep is of low quality. Also, there are interventions (like CPAP machines and the like) which work for a lot of people's apnea, and are much faster and more reliable than trying to lose weight.
Any thoughts about what it takes to make large changes (like getting another job with a better schedule) while low on sleep?
What is the most interesting and new intervention from these? Which gives visible results but generaly not known?
Melatonin use probably. Otherwise redshift, twilight, f.lux (computer programs that make your computer more red during night-hours for your time zone). Sleep diaries probably don't get tried out very much.
General health and wellbeing stuff should be known...
Uberman, and other polyphasic sleep cycles?
- depends if it works for you. Don't force yourself to do it if it, don't expect it to work for you. Feel free to try it; lifestyle is also relevant in considering this sleep implementation,
As far as I know there are no documented cases of people successfully doing Uberman for multiple years. There are theoretical reasons to expect long-term harm from it. Uberman sounds cool but I don't think there a rational case for starting Uberman.
Messing with upkeeping processes of the human body generally doesn't tend to go well. Hormons that regulate sleep like melatonin don't the ability to switch to 4 hour cycles.
Everything that sleep research has found suggests that it's not healthy to significantly cut down on sleep.
This post was: [pollid:1058]
I plan to try out: [pollid:1071]
Feel free to comment with what you plan to try; I will try to follow up a month after any comments appear.
After occasionally using melatonin for a while, and experiencing its mild muscle-relaxing effects, I recently tried it for relieving the stiff neck that I got from doing some household chores. I took it several hours before bedtime, and it reduced the stiffness in my neck considerably. That, in itself, helped me to go to sleep later on.
I've been looking into getting these blue light blocking glasses. Has anyone tried anything like this?
I have seen similar before (orange wrap-around safety glasses); you might find there will always be gaps; even with wrap-arounds. probably more effective to do things like f.lux and smart bulbs.
Having said that - it's a fairly cheap option. You only need to drop the blues and the Lux a bit. Do you think light is significantly problematic to your sleep?
bedside notepad for anything you might want to write down - if something is keeping you up; you can use this to record things and effectively put them out of your mind so that you can go to sleep.
is this a distraction?
For some people, some of the time, yes. If you sometimes find your mind ablaze with an incredible thought, writing it down can relieve this.
This may appear unclear in the table; there are two main sources of commentary on the usefulness of these ideas for improving sleep quality. I am confident that it can help people who are in the state of, "thinking too hard to relax and get to sleep". of course it can go wrong, but I would expect it to be usually good. Also handy for planning out the next day, or writing down dreams, or flash-of-brilliance-thoughts.
Additional poll:
I limit caffeine, especially to earlier in the day [pollid:1059]
I avoid using alcohol as a nightcap [pollid:1060]
I avoid heavy meals and exercise within 3 hours of bedtime [pollid:1061]
I use bedroom for sleep and sex only [pollid:1062]
I have sleep in my schedule [pollid:1063]
I decrease lighting before bed [pollid:1064]
I avoid electronics ~1-2 hours before bed [pollid:1065]
I reduce light and noise [pollid:1066]
I don't sleep in [pollid:1067]
My alarm doesn't go off during REM increments. [pollid:1068]
I use melatonin. [pollid:1069]
I avoid smoking. [pollid:1070]
Use the middle option also for "See results."
I think it is better to avoid 'I don't's in polls - I was unsure if 'Yes, I don't' or 'No, I don't' meant agreeing with a statement.
I always wanted to see discussed the general opportunity cost of time lost due to extra/superior sleep, especially if given already small amounts of time left and the fact that your ineffective hours (assuming one's a night owl) may as well be spent on work while the more effective ones are the ones during which you 'should' sleep. I currently average <8 hours, meaning that I generally physically go to bed at midnight and wake up at 8, and I don't fall asleep easily so it's probably a lot less than 8 hours. If you have about 4-5 hours of free time left after work and you cut them down to 3 hours due to sleep, and then an hour of that is probably spent on exercise, I think the depressive effect may be quite strong.
Getting more sleep tends to make me just dislike my life more, which I consider a much more serious health hazard than merely feeling sleepy at times, something that I have, at this point, accepted as the fact of life for a night owl in a lark world, and an excuse to drink coffee.
I generally agree with something I read on Gwern's melatonin page: most people don't get sufficient sleep and that's going to stay pretty true for a while. I feel more could be accomplished in other avenues (work week, re-balancing of schedules) with greater effect than trying to train people into giving up a greater chunk of their life for this life-prolonging activity when the bigger issue is that a different chunk of their life is used up for a more useless activity and that they can't control their schedule.
Leading up to this year's Australia megameetup, in the interest of improving people's lives in the most valuable way possible, I was hoping to include a session on sleep, sleep quality and sleep maintenance. With that in mind I put together A very long list of sleep maintenance suggestions.
Some of the most important take-aways:
- If no then fix it. This single thing will improve your life drastically. (also don't lie to yourself about this, research shows that people who are sleep deprived are bad at predicting how sleep deprived they are, if you are unsure; probably err on the side of caution. As a measure - if you turned off your alarms - would you be able to get out of bed at the same time every day?)
- not really. if it works - keep doing it. if it works most of the time but falls apart every Monday, then maybe its time to consider a different plan.
- depends if it works for you. Don't force yourself to do it if it, don't expect it to work for you. Feel free to try it; lifestyle is also relevant in considering this sleep implementation, (if you have a 9-5 job you certainly can't make it work, if you have a flexible life then maybe)
The list is best formatted here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PbjxWSy77JoaEKj_TEuH025EoIYZBqhjK-yApomJ6go/edit#gid=0
But is also included below for convenience.
take large dose of melatonin at the 'night' time of your destination, can do this several days in preparation
Meta: the original collection of this list took at least 10 hours; plus several other people's time to point out the quality of the suggestions. From deciding to post this to post-ready took 2 hours.
This post was finalised with the assistance of participants on the Slack chat.
My table of contents, includes other posts of mine that might be of value.
Thanks to Kat and AdamK for their help with this post.
As per usual; any suggestions are welcome, and improvements would be appreciated, and I hope this helps you. There will be a poll in the comments.