The subtext here is almost more interesting than the article itself. Within the last few years, Stephenson has worked as a consultant for Blue Origin, a commercial spaceflight company that's made very little public about its plans and development; Wikipedia claims it's working on a single-stage vehicle similar to the DC-X but that's as much information as I've seen anywhere. It doesn't seem like too much of a stretch to suggest that that experience informed the opinions we see here.
We probably don't have enough information to say how, but there's enough odd specificity in those opinions that I'm pretty sure there's more going on than shows on the page. I'd love to know exactly what it is.
There is no shortage of proposals for radically innovative space launch schemes that, if they worked, would get us across the valley to other hilltops considerably higher than the one we are standing on now—high enough to bring the cost and risk of space launch down to the point where fundamentally new things could begin happening in outer space.
This is plainly not true. I know of only three alternative schemes that might be viable, and when you look at what they are and what their caveats are, it becomes obvious why we're stuck on chemical rockets.
Then there's space elevators, which would require a major breakthrough in materials science, and might still be impossible even then.
Then there's the Orion spacecraft design - that is, an extremely large ship propelled by launching nuclear bombs out the back to ablate a shield on a spring. In addition to the political problems, it's also extremely inflexible (it has to be huge or it doesn't work), hard to iterate on (for the same reason), and environmentally damaging (as in "would cause human deaths", not to be confused with the more common "would anger irrational activists").
Finally, there's the space gun idea (as envisioned by Quicklaunch): a wide, neutrally buoyant gun barrel extending from the ocean surface to the sea floor. Unfortunately, the calculations I've seen indicate that the acceleration will be too high for humans, and it still needs a second stage rocket (for fine-tuning its orbit, if nothing else). So, even if this were built, we'd still need rockets for launching humans, and possibly also for launching equipment too large for the barrel diameter. I think this one should be pursued, but it's no historical accident that rockets came first.
Two other technologies that might play a role are Airship to Orbit from J.P. Aerospace, and the space tethers ideas of Robert Forward's company.
I agree, though, that unless ATO works out, chemical rockets are probably just about the best and safest technology we are likely to find for launch from earth.
But if Less Wrong ever undertakes some kind of collective brainpower exercise as an experiment, I'd love to see whether the smart people here can figure out how or whether the ATO idea might work. There is some weird stuff that happens when the atmosphere gets thin enough so that the mean free path becomes comparable to the scale height and the airship dimensions become comparable to both.
Wikipedia link with more ideas: Non-rocket spacelaunch. I like the idea of building a tower of balloons :-)
we started at one place on the technological landscape—which must be considered a random pick, given that it was chosen for dubious reasons by a maniac
Now that sounds intriguing! Dubious reasons by a maniac? Can you tell me more?
Godwin's law violation coming up:
He means Hitler putting R&D muscle behind V-2's even though he claims they weren't worth it economically. Do read the article, it's good.
It's interesting, yes, but I'm not sure rockets are all that much of a 'local' optimum, as it were. What plausible alternatives are there? The SpaceX and other recent changes seem pretty standard.
(Railguns? Seems like a hard argument since 60 years after rockets began putting things in orbit, I still haven't heard of a railgun anywhere near orbital capability. A staged ballistic space gun is more plausible but if Stephenson is complaining about rockets' accelerations...!)
The idea of space elevators have been around for a long time. The technology isn't completely available at present, but (as far as I know) they aren't too far off from reality. If there was some more effort and research put into that program, it could become a viable option fairly soon.
The concept of tensile* space elevators only date back to 1959, a decade before rockets put men on the moon. And they seem very far off to me. Do we even have inches of the necessary construction material? As far as I know, we don't. Fairly soon? We seem about as far away, R&D-wise, as Hero of Alexander from the steam engine & Industrial Revolution.
* I am aware that Wikipedia dates it to Tsiolkovsky in 1895. If that's a space elevator, I humbly suggest that the true date of the space elevator concept be pushed back by around 3000 years to the Tower of Babel.
You are correct in saying that the technology isn't here yet. I do think, though, that the Hero of Alexander claim is a bit hyperbolic. I would be surprised if we had inches of the necessary construction material, but I think part of the reason why it seems so far away is that there isn't a major, concerted effort to do it yet. I'd say it sounds about as far off as the proposal to go to the moon did, before the US had even achieved earth orbit. Or perhaps, as far fetched as the theoretical scheme that the matter in the nucleus of atoms could be converted into energy, creating an incredibly powerful explosive did, before there was a major push for that. A space elevator is a theoretical idea at present, but when there is the funding and the effort behind a technological development, it can happen faster than we typically think. I'm definitely not expecting a space elevator within the decade. But I'd be surprised if it wasn't possible in my lifetime.
I'd say it sounds about as far off as the proposal to go to the moon did, before the US had even achieved earth orbit. Or perhaps, as far fetched as the theoretical scheme that the matter in the nucleus of atoms could be converted into energy, creating an incredibly powerful explosive did, before there was a major push for that.
Both had, a decade or three beforehand, the basic technology proven. What is the difference in kind, and not degree, between putting a man in orbit and putting him onto the moon? Once you've gotten all the way to a reactor pile which can go critical, you've done most of the hard work.
If we could manufacture a few meters of space elevator material, that'd be one thing, and I might accept an argument that 'with a Manhattan project equivalent, we could build a space elevator in a decade or two'. If you can manufacture a few meters, then you can do it again and again and scale your processes up. But we can't even manufacture inches, putting us closer to the Curies or Roentgens of space elevator than the Fermis or Oppenheimers.
If we could manufacture a few meters of space elevator material, that'd be one thing, and I might accept an argument that 'with a Manhattan project equivalent, we could build a space elevator in a decade or two'.
I think you are looking at the wrong problem. Assume that you can easily turn coal into bucktube material suitable for building an elevator. Now, compute how many tons of the stuff you will need. And then, how many tons of chemical rocket fuel will be required to lift all that material up to GEO.
Oh, we may build an elevator some day. But I doubt that the material for building it will come from the Earth's surface.
Assuming von Neumann machines doesn't do much to strengthen the argument 'we could build a space elevator relatively soon if we really wanted to'. If anything, it weakens it...
By "von Neumann machines", I usually understand stored program computers. You are apparently talking about some kind of self-reproducing (nanotech?) robots. Assuming that such things exist doesn't change the rocket fuel requirements for building an elevator, but they might help to build the rocket-fuel refineries. So, I don't see how this assumption weakens the argument.
Oh, I assumed your last comment meant that the material would be coming from the moon and/or asteroid belt, and usually people aren't proposing sending humans out there to mine them but von Neumann machines.
Ok, so we send a pair of robots to an asteroid and let nature take its course ...
And then a few generations later we have thousands of robots heading back to earth to build an elevator for us. Yeah, that might work. And it might be cheap. But it probably won't be particularly quick. Maybe 40 - 100 years from first arrival of robots at asteroid, I'd guess. I still don't see how the argument is weakened by the existence of robots, but I agree it is left pretty weak.
I still don't see how the argument is weakened by the existence of robots, but I agree it is left pretty weak.
No, it's weakened by a variant of the conjunction fallacy, as it were. If you previously argued 'A ~> C' but have now changed your argument to 'A & B ~> C', then probablistically C has gotten less likely.
So one originally starts off arguing 'we may have elevators soon, since when we can create miles of nanotubes, then we can create space elevators quickly', and changes it to 'we may have elevators soon, since when we can create miles of nanotubes and we have also finally developed space robots to go synthesize it in orbit for us, then we can can create space elevators quickly'.
You have narrowed the possible routes to creating a space elevator by ruling out routes that don't involve von Neumann machines; that ought to reduce our probability.
Ah! I've got it now. The assumption that bots are available doesn't weaken the case for an early elevator. The assumption that bots are necessary does weaken the case.
I don't know why it took me so long to pick up on that. Sorry.
No problem. I wasn't sure I was being fair in inferring that the bots were necessary. If they aren't necessary, then by the same exact logic, our probability ought to go up - 'A v B ~> C' is stronger than 'A ~> C'. (The more independent pathways to a result, the more likely one will work within a certain time span.)
http://www.slate.com/id/2283469/pagenum/all/
It's a long article, but the most relevant stuff is at the end, about how we're pretty much locked into the existing rocket technologies: