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Crackatook60

Well, I know it exists. At least in Korea.

There is a symbolic example of your “nano-apartment,” called Goshitel. It is the cheapest form of rent, with about the area of 3.3 meter squared. The term “Goshi” is attached because it has been used by people who decided to spend every minute studying for the Goshi exam and become the public governor, the most sustainable job in the country. 

Therefore the first reason people need the nano apartment is to have the longest possible time while not working for their reasons: people who refused work. Well, the second reason is to just save some money: people who work. The third reason is that they don’t have money to escape: people who can’t work, like the homeless. 

I’ve seen some documentaries about these Goshitels and I think you can easily find one with that term. As Goshitel has a poor image, those are more focused on the difficulties of one and people inside. But as I described, it has a diverse demographic and the documentaries only show portions of it. Things to note is that it has an overall negative image of dirty facilities and depressed people. That can be why nano apartment was not spread outside Korea to America. 

Back to your question, I suspect some reasons that nano-apartments does not exist in the US while more frequent in Korea:

  1. Korea has much smaller land, compared to the US.The common housing form of Korean is an apartment(or “advanced apartment” with at least 10 floors. It is not exactly the one of America), while Americans usually live in detached houses. The degree of viewing a nano-apartment can differ a lot. -Counterargument: Both have extremely populous cities, where the land is always in shortage.  
  2. The US has more restrictions on the housing structures. ...but I know nothing 
  3. The group of “Goshi” students would have been the obvious demand for such nano apartments in Korea. It would have brought proper development over decades. In the US, there are no exams that can be comparable to Goshi--that can guarantee the rest of one’s life, even during economic depressions. The exam also required students to attend prep classes, mostly in the expansive and populous Seoul area.  
  4. Maybe the lifestyles of homeless people are different in America and Korea. 

One more:

I just sparked some thoughts here and it may be insufficient to bring a complete concept. I realized explaining Korean stuff to America and bringing American stuff to Korea are extra time consuming, as you don’t know “Goshi'' and I don’t know housing in New York. But I enjoyed comparing cultural differences and hope you ask more for confusing parts.

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[-]Jozdien450

I’m Jose.  I’m 20.  This is a comment many years in the making.

I grew up in India, in a school that (almost) made up for the flaws in Indian academia, as a kid with some talent in math and debate.  I largely never tried to learn math or science outside what was taught at school back then.  I started using the internet in 2006, and eventually started to feel very strongly about what I thought was wrong with the institutions of the world, from schools to religion.  I spent a lot of time then trying to make these thoughts coherent.  I didn’t really think about what I wanted to do, or about the future, in anything more than abstract terms until I was 12 and a senior at my school recommended HPMOR.

I don’t remember what I thought the first time I read it up until where it had reached (I think it was chapter 95).  I do remember that on my second read, by the time it had reached chapter 101, I stayed up the night before one of my finals to read it.  That was around the time I started to actually believe I could do something to change the world (there may have been a long phase where I phrased it as wanting to rule the universe).  But apart from ... (read more)

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9Daniel Kokotajlo
Welcome! It's people like you (and perhaps literally you) on which the future of the world depends. :) Wait... you started using the internet in 2006? Like, when you were 5???
[-]Jozdien110

Thanks!  2006 is what I remember, and what my older brother says too.  I was 5 though, so the most I got out of it was learning how to torrent movies and Pokemon ROMs until like 2008, when I joined Facebook (at the time to play an old game called FarmVille).

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8Alexei
Very cool, this sounds a lot like my own story too. Welcome to the club!
3Rudi C
I think the whole FAI research is mostly bottlenecked by funding; There are many smart people who will work in any field that has funding available (in my model of the world). So unless you're someone who does not need funding or can fund others, you might not be part of the bottleneck.
[-]habryka*180

I am really quite confident that the space is not bottlenecked by funding. Maybe we have different conceptions of what we mean by funding, but there really is a lot of money (~$5-10 Billion USD) that is ready to be deployed towards promising AI Alignment opportunities, there just aren't any that seem very promising and aren't already funded. It really seems to me that funding is very unlikely the bottleneck for the space.

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[-]Rudi C100

I am just speaking from general models and I have no specific model for FAI, so I was/am probably wrong.

I still don’t understand the bottleneck. There aren’t promising projects to get funded. Isn’t this just another way of saying that the problem is hard, and most research attempts will be futile, and thus to accelerate the progress, unpromising projects need to be funded? I.e., what is the bottleneck if it’s not funding? “Brilliant ideas” are not under our direct control, so this cannot be part of our operating bottleneck.

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8habryka
Solution space is really high-dimensional, so just funding random points has basically no chance of getting you much closer to a functioning solution. There aren't even enough people who understand what the AI Alignment problem is to fund all of them, and frequently funding people can have downsides. Two common downsides of funding people:  * They have an effect on the social context in which work happens, and if they don't do good work, they scare away other contributors, or worsen the methodology of your field * If you give away money like candy, you attract lots of people who will try to pretend doing the work you want to do and just take away your money. There are definitely enough people who just want to take your money to exhaust $10B in financial resources (or really any reasonable amount of resources). In a lemon's market, you need to maintain some level of vigilance, otherwise you can easily lose all of your resources at almost any level of wealth.
4ChristianKl
One good example of what funding can do is nanotech. https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/Ck5cgNS2Eozc8mBeJ/a-review-of-where-is-my-flying-car-by-j-storrs-hall describes how strong funding killed of the nanotech industry by getting people to compete for that funding. 
6Jozdien
80,000 Hours' data suggests that people are the bottleneck, not funding.  Could you tell me why you think otherwise?  It's possible that there's even more available funding in AI research and similar fields that are likely sources for FAI researchers.
[-]Rudi C100

(First read my comment on the sister comment: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/hKNJSiyzB5jDKFytn/open-and-welcome-thread-may-2021?commentId=iLrAts3ghiBc37X3j )

I looked at the 80k page again, and I still don’t get their model; They say the bottleneck is people who have PhDs from top schools (an essentially supply-gated resource), and can geographically work in the FAI labs (a constant-ish fraction of the said PhD holders). It seems to me that the main lever to increase top school PhD graduates is to increase funding and thus positions in AI-related fields. (Of course, this lever might still take years to show its effects, but I do not see how individual decisions can be the bottleneck here.)

As said, I am probably wrong, but I like to understand this.

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5ChristianKl
They write no such thing. They do say: They use it as a proxy for cognitive ability. It's possible for a person who writes insightful AI alignment forum posts to hired into an AI research role. It's just very hard to develop the ability to write insightful things about AI alignment and the kind of person who can is also the kind of person who can get into a top 5 graduate school in machine learning.  When it comes to increasing the number of AI Phd's that can accelerate AI development in general, so it's problematic from the perspective of AI risk. 
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2ChristianKl
They don't speak about a having a PhD but ability to get a into a top 5 graduate program. Many people who do have the ability to get into a top 5 program don't get into a top 5 graduate program but persue other directions.  The number of people with that ability level is not directly dependent on the amount of of PhD's that are given out. 
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[-]_nuchi220

Hey there, been sporadically reading stuff on LW for maybe ~8ish years? Just created an account today to comment on the animal intelligence thread. I can't remember if I had an account on the old v1.0 site, but in any case I don't remember ever posting previously. Found out about LW via HPMOR.

I'm grateful to the folks at LW for introducing me to cryonics. I signed up a few years back.

I'm interested in animal communication (among other things) — I'm currently building a prosthetic human voice meant for animal use. Would love to connect with anyone who has experience with consumer electronics development.

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2Robbo
I'm very intrigued by "prosthetic human voice meant for animal use"! Not knowing much about animal communication or speech in general, I don't even know what this mean. Could you say a bit more about what that would be?
[-]Justin Bullock190

My name is Justin Bullock. I live in the Seattle area after 27 years in Georgia and 7 years in Texas. I have a PhD and Public Administration and Policy Analysis where I focused on decision making within complex, hierarchical, public programs. For example, in my dissertation I attempted to model how errors (measured as improper payments) are built into the US Unemployment Insurance Program. I spent time looking at how agents are motivated within these complex systems trying to develop general insights into how errors occur in these systems. Until about 2016, I was very much ignorant of the discussions around AI. I was introduced to the arguments around AGI and alignment through the work PR works of Sam Harris and Max Tegmark leading me eventually to the work of Nick Bostrom and Eliezer Yudkowsky. It's been a wild and exciting ride.

I currently have a tenured Associate Professor position at Texas A&M University that I'm resigning on July 1 to focus more on writing, creating, and learning without all of the weird pressures and incentives that come from working within a major public research university in the social sciences. In preparation for changing my employment status, I've be... (read more)

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3gilch
See the Group Rationality topic. The rationalists, as a culture, still haven't quite figured out how to coordinate groups very well, in my opinion. It's something we should work on.
1Justin Bullock
Thank you for this. I pulled up the thread. I think you're right that there are a lot of open questions to look into at the level of group dynamics. I'm still familiarizing myself with the technical conversation around the iterated prisoner's dilemma and other ways to look at these challenges from a game theory lens. My understanding so far is that some basic concepts of coordination and group dynamics like authority and specialization are not yet well formulated, but again, I don't consider myself up to date in this conversation yet. From the thread you shared, I came across this organizing post I found helpful: https://medium.com/@ThingMaker/open-problems-in-group-rationality-5636440a2cd1 Thanks for the comment.
[-]maeril180

Hey there ! My name is Mae, and I’m an ML engineer from Paris, France.

To be a bit more precise, my work revolves around AI R&D and prototyping for various industries. Right now I’m focusing on using models rather than creating them because that’s what my current job requires, but I’m still very interested in R&D. I mainly have experience with Recsys, NLP, and have a CV side project I’m working on.

I guess my reason for signing up is, I feel like I should listen more to people who might challenge my enthusiastic view of AI.

I’m not a long time lurker like some I’ve seen below, I really just found out about LW very recently, so I have a lot to learn about this community.

It’s nice to meet you all. :)

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2TurnTrout
Welcome! :)
1Daniel Kokotajlo
You seem like an awesome person! FWIW, I'm super *excited* about AI. It's gonna be awesome and it has so much potential for good, literally it can save the world and bring about utopia... if designed and deployed appropriately. My concern is that it doesn't look like we are on a trajectory to do that; not enough people take the alignment problem / safety concerns seriously, and the people who do take them seriously and are researching solutions report that they aren't particularly close to a solution (though they are making progress.)
5Daniel Kokotajlo
Welcome! I recognize your username, we must have crossed paths before. Maybe something to do with SpaceX?
5theme_arrow
Yes! We had a nice discussion in the comments of your "Fun with +12 OOMs of Compute" post.
[-]Viegos140

I'm Viegos, a software engineer who's been reading threads on lesswrong, anything by Eliezer Yudkowsky and Scott Alexander for a couple of years now
Great interest in Math/probability theory, I study it greatly in my free time
I hope to derive from the lesswrong community a greater understanding of human consciousness, or at the very least, a less wrong interpretation of the human mind

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[-][anonymous]140

Hello LessWrong,

My name is Nate. Currently an undergrad studying computer science with a specialization in intelligent system, AI. I grew up indoctrinated into an extremist fundamentalist christian ideology and recently broke free from that world after leaving for university. It's finally great to develop my own ideas about faith and hope to build up a value and ethics framework that will grow my agnostic atheist position I hold today. Being open-minded is freeing and I hope to expand my philosophical position.

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[-]CraigMichael*150

Hey Nate! 

I grew up in a Christian fundamentalist household, decided I was an atheist around the time I was 17 and also studied computer science in college. 

Can I tell you somethings I wish someone had told me back when I was in my 20s? If yes, keep reading. But if you're not keen on advice from olds, feel free to skip. 

...

It's possible that when you come from one extreme, you try to correct by seeking other extremes, and that can leave you in a really awful place. 

Beware what Freud called "reaction formation" as a lifestyle choice. A good place to start is maybe with the literature on dogmatism. Milton Rokeach and people who have built on the work he did, for example. Understanding "Form E"  as a psychometric and the variety of groups and people that tested high on it was very helpful. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/233067345_Dogmatism_Updated_A_Scale_Revision_and_Validation

In my own experience, my inclination having been burned so much by Christianity early in life was that things that were the opposite of what the Christian culture I previously belonged to would have endorsed, were probably worth my time and would maybe would make a better pers... (read more)

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1Crackatook
I think he will be fine as he mentioned faith and open-mind, but your story also helps us with some glance of faith experimentation. Expansion with faith seems exciting, partially because it is restricted. Thank you for sharing:)  
2Daniel Kokotajlo
Welcome!
[-]Bob120

Hello all. My name is Duncan, as my username suggests, and I guess you could say I'm new around these parts, (although I first read the sequences years ago). My hope is that by participating in this community, I'll be able to gain clarity and understanding by open-sourcing my opinions and getting feedback from open-minded and thoughtful folks like yourselves. Cheers!

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[-]David Udell100

Hello!

I'm David.  I'm a philosophy PhD student and longtime LessWrong/Overcoming Bias/SSC/rationalish-sphere lurker.  This is me finally working up the strength to beat back my commenting anxiety!  I discovered LW sometime in high school; my reading diet back then consisted of a lot of internet and not much else, and I just stumbled onto here on my own.

Right now I'm really interested in leveling up my modern math understanding and in working up to writing on AI safety/related topics.

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3Robbo
Welcome, David! What sort of math are you looking to level up on? And do you know what AI safety/related topics you might explore? 
4David Udell
My medium-term math goal is to pick up some algebra and analysis.  I've heard from some people with math backgrounds that those are good basics to pick up if you're interested in modern math.  My roadmap from here to there is to finish off David Lay's Linear Algebra textbook plus an equivalent textbook for calculus (which I haven't done any of since high school), and then move on to intro real analysis and intro abstract algebra textbooks.  So far, I've found self-studying math very rewarding, and so self-motivating as long as I'm not starved for time. Lately I've been reading up on some of the stuff on persuasion tools/AI "social superpowers."  It's an intrinsically interesting idea that in the medium-term future, following the best arguments you can find given that you read around broadly enough could cease to be a reliable route to holding the most accurate possible views -- if we get widespread proliferation of accessible and powerful persuasion tools.  If GPT-n gets really good at generating arguments that convince people, it might become dangerous (with regard to preserving your terminal values and sanity) to read around on the unfiltered internet.  So this seems like a cool thing to think more about.
[-]Henrik Karlsson90

Hi, my name his Henrik. I've been lurking here for a long time, and today finally dared write something myself. I have been looking for a community like this for a long time, and I'm so grateful for being able to listen in to all the conversations happening. Emerging oneself in a better culture can really bring out good things in oneself. The last few months, after hanging out here, it feels like my thoughts are moving in new, orthogonal and fruitful directions. I just want to say my thanks to all the people working to make sure that this bubble can exist.

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4Pattern
That's a great post by the way. I loved it.
[-]MondSemmel90

LW Front Page: Is the following intentional behavior, i.e. seeing the same essay twice in the Latest list because it's been curated?

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4habryka
Not exactly intentional, but a natural consequence of how we query things. When we render the frontpage we actually make two separate queries, once for the last three curated posts (which always go at the top, though some of them might be hidden if you already read them) and once for the latest posts. This means they can be duplicated.  This could be avoided by moving the logic to a higher level React component, but it's a bit of a pain and we haven't gotten around to it. Sorry for the confusion in the meantime.
[-]weathersystems90

Hi y'all.

Recently I've become very interested in open research. A friend of mine gave me the tip to check out lesswrong. 

I found that lesswrong has been interested in trying to support collaborative open research (one, two, three) for a few years at least. That was the original idea behind lesswrong.com/questions. Recently Ruby explained some of their problems getting this sort of thing going with the previous approach and sketched a feature he's calling "Research Agendas." I think something like his Research Agendas seems quite useful. 

So that's... (read more)

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[-]sybaritick90

Hello! My name is Cal. I've been a Slate Star Codex reader for years and read LessWrong occasionally, but just made an account for the first time today.

I would love some advice on improving my fiction writing. Writing short-form fiction has been a major hobby of mine for my entire life (really, starting at age 7 or 8), but I don't think I'm particularly good at it, I just enjoy it a lot and enjoy reading other amateurs' fiction as well. I've never tried to get anything published anywhere as I don't think it's at that level of quality.

Here is the smallest o... (read more)

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3gjm
Some rather scattered thoughts: There are some very nice things here; I think the paragraph where you introduce the convention of treating chemical names like biological ones is particularly good, for instance, though the convention isn't as effective after that when the chemical names are no longer pairs of words. Generally, I like your writing style at the word/phrase/sentence level, at least as it manifests in this particular piece of writing. Many things about this piece leave me puzzled. That may be intentional (leave lots of intriguing dangling threads to keep the reader's attention; leave 'em wanting more, not less), or it may indicate that this piece should really be considered as part of something larger that ties some of the loose ends together (it's clear that this piece is depicting a specific moment in a longer life -- "before we left", "before I left the state", "I often thought of it before I did things", etc.). Though there are puzzles that I don't think any context would resolve. For me, the resulting sense of not being sure what's going on was disagreeable, but other readers might well differ. The thing I liked least about this piece is that it didn't seem to be going anywhere. That may just indicate that there's something I didn't grasp, of course. There are a number of things that seem like themes (pollution and waste; the pin oak, considered as a character who sees things on a timescale longer than ours; what happens to houses and neighbourhoods over time; childhood) but there doesn't seem to be much development of those themes, and accordingly I'm left not sure what the point is (if there is a "point", which of course there need not be). The very end suggests that perhaps the point is something to do with insidious invisible pollution? Our narrator, as a child, thinks something is water but in fact it's water, trichloroethylene, 1-1-dichloroethene. That doesn't seem like enough of a shock, somehow, to pull its weight. So it seems more as i
2sybaritick
Thank you so much (for both your kind words and your constructive criticism)! The point was intended to be about pollution and I appreciate you pointing out that it wasn't strong/clear enough-- that's something I want to work on. In the same vein, the narrator's intention with the garbage fished out of the creek would be to throw it out so it isn't litter, but I agree I don't really make that clear, especially since they call it "treasures" and say that they don't see it as unnatural. This is one of a few pieces that I've written inspired by various Superfund sites in New Jersey. The specific one in question, https://semspub.epa.gov/work/02/437463.pdf, is not as serious as some of the other ones I've written about on the Passaic River, or the American Cyanamid site (here are some cool photos) near where I grew up. It was both a major fear and inspiration to me as a kid. I also really like all the suggestions you made about the oak, both avoiding the "I characterized him" and making sure that I continue to use "he" and not "it". That and the gimmick of the chemical names not being necessary throughout the whole piece-- I was on and off about that myself, whether I should keep them in just that one paragraph or leave them in the whole piece, but now that I have a second opinion it makes sense to take the extras out. Will make changes based on this and consider the ideas you describe here in my future writing-- I appreciate you taking the time to write this. :)
2gjm
I'm not sure that I'm necessarily advocating taking the other chemical names out. After all, they play a necessary role right at the very end, and I don't know how that would work without all the previous use. I didn't mean to imply that there was any doubt that pollution was a central topic! That would be hard to miss. But it's not so clear what you're trying to say about it. (Or whether you're neutrally refraining from saying anything in particular, and just showing it in its natural habitat, as it were.) Perhaps if I were less ignorant that last parenthesis would tell me a clearer story. (Though I guess googling the chemical names would probably have sufficed.)
[-]HorizonHeld90

Hi!

I'm a lurker on LW but I've had a question I've been thinking about for awhile. I'm an extremely neurotic person and have great trouble interacting with people online, so I've always struggled (and never succeeded) with finding a venue for talking with people about things I've thought of, or have questions about. But LW seems like the kind of crowd who would have a thoughtful answer to this question; and this seems like the / a place for it. At least, I hope this is an acceptable place to ask it

Anyway, my question is whether anybody has had success emul... (read more)

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4Pattern
This felt like reading a post. And I think it would make a good post, possibly with a link to a question:
5HorizonHeld
Thank you! I think this started out with just the question with a little of what I thought about it and then evolved to be much longer. And knowing that this would make a good post is good information. I tend to have a too-strong filter for what quality is post-able on the internet and what isn't, which usually manifests as perfectionism. My behavior is (hopefully) updated accordingly :) On a side not, it's really interesting how, despite reading posts here for quite awhile without an account, that actually creating an account and posting / commenting changes your perspective, casting the various features of the site in a new light, and reveals things you never would have noticed
3GeneSmith
Yes in fact having just finished Steve Jobs's biography I can say that this was by far his favorite method of having a meeting. Same for Bill Gates, which you'll observe if you watch the Netflix documentary "Inside Bill's Brain". It has also been a favorite pastime of Andrew Wiles, the mathematician who cracked Fermat's Last Theorem after seven years of working on it in secret.
[-]niplav90

Why Not Nano-Apartments?

There seem to be goods of many different sizes and price-tags, with people being able to buy bulk or the bare minimum, e.g. transportation: walking by foot, biking, public transport, leasing a car, owning a car, or by helicopter.

However, the very small scale for apartments seems to be neglected – cheap apartments are often in bad neighbourhoods, with longer commutes and worse living conditions, but rarely just extremely small (<10 m²). But one could easily imagine 5 m² apartments, with just a bed & a small bathroom (or even ... (read more)

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9Daniel Kokotajlo
My guess is: Regulation. It would be illegal to build and rent out nano-apartments. (Evidence: In many places in the USA, it's illegal for more than X people not from the same family to live together, for X = 4 or something ridiculously small like that.)
[-]theme_arrow200

To add a bit more detail to your comment, this form of housing used to exist in the from of single room occupancy (SRO) buildings, where people would rent a single room and share bathroom and kitchen spaces. Reformers and planners started efforts to ban this form of housing starting around the early 20th century. From Wikipedia:

By the 1880s, urban reformers began working on modernizing cities; their efforts to create "uniformity within areas, less mixture of social classes, maximum privacy for each family, much lower density for many activities, buildings set back from the street, and a permanently built order" all meant that SRO hotels had to be cut back.[10] By the 1890s, SRO hotels became "forbidden housing; their residents, forbidden citizens."[10] New York City police inspector Thomas Byrnes stated that rather than give SRO hotels "palliative" care, they should be dealt with using a "knife, the blister, the amputating instruments."[12]

Reformers used moral codes, building codes, fire codes, zoning, planning committees and inspections to limit or remove SRO hotels.[12] An example of moral critiques is Simon Lubin's claims that "unregulated hotels" were "spreading venereal diseas

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9ozziegooen
A bit more info; I lived at 20Mission, which was technically an SRO. I enjoyed the setting quite a bit, though I've heard they've had trouble recently with COVID. That said, most of the other SROs I know of nearby (in the Mission, SF), are really not nice places. (lots of drugs and some violence). https://www.20mission.com/ There's been discussion of having "Micro-Units" in SF, but they're heavily regulated. It seems like small progress is being made. https://socketsite.com/archives/2012/11/microunits_approved_for_san_francisco_capped_for_market.html
1niplav
That's disheartening :-( But good to know nonetheless, thanks. Perhaps not a *completely* senseless regulation considering disease spreading (though there are better ways of attacking _that_ with other means).
6Crackatook
Well, I know it exists. At least in Korea. There is a symbolic example of your “nano-apartment,” called Goshitel. It is the cheapest form of rent, with about the area of 3.3 meter squared. The term “Goshi” is attached because it has been used by people who decided to spend every minute studying for the Goshi exam and become the public governor, the most sustainable job in the country.  Therefore the first reason people need the nano apartment is to have the longest possible time while not working for their reasons: people who refused work. Well, the second reason is to just save some money: people who work. The third reason is that they don’t have money to escape: people who can’t work, like the homeless.  I’ve seen some documentaries about these Goshitels and I think you can easily find one with that term. As Goshitel has a poor image, those are more focused on the difficulties of one and people inside. But as I described, it has a diverse demographic and the documentaries only show portions of it. Things to note is that it has an overall negative image of dirty facilities and depressed people. That can be why nano apartment was not spread outside Korea to America.  Back to your question, I suspect some reasons that nano-apartments does not exist in the US while more frequent in Korea: 1. Korea has much smaller land, compared to the US.The common housing form of Korean is an apartment(or “advanced apartment” with at least 10 floors. It is not exactly the one of America), while Americans usually live in detached houses. The degree of viewing a nano-apartment can differ a lot. -Counterargument: Both have extremely populous cities, where the land is always in shortage.   2. The US has more restrictions on the housing structures. ...but I know nothing  3. The group of “Goshi” students would have been the obvious demand for such nano apartments in Korea. It would have brought proper development over decades. In the US, there are no exams that can be comparable t
2niplav
Thanks for your answer! I had an idea that there's more very small housing in Asia, but never got such a clear exposition to a clear example. I'm not from the US, but from Europe, but they're fairly similar culturally (although I suspect Europe might have even stronger housing regulations than the US). After some of the comments here, I've settled on a mixture of "it's the regulations" and "not *that* many people want it, but it's still available for the ones who do". I think that's because the need for dense housing during the industrial revolution was a long time ago, and the majority of people don't need/want nano-apartments, so they don't care/think about the possibility of very dense housing. My guess would be that it's different in Asia because there industrial development is much younger, and the population is more used to "poor" and less luxurious living conditions. Do you think that's getting at the truth?
2Crackatook
You suspects there is an association between "industrial development" and "living conditions." I can start from here. By the way, thanks for reply! My comment below contains mainly American evidences, so I hope this can fit to the situation of Europe. For people who want to live in city, but are poor, you brought up nano-apartment to fulfill the needs and wondered why it is not frequent. I thought about this again, and thought “wait, isn’t that why slums exist?” The existence of slums may explain why there was no demand for nano-apartment. So I started from it, then I looked back at the progressive era(1896-1916) and how Jacob Riis wrote “how the other half lives” to reveal the poor situation of tenements. These tenements are the actual example of a nano-apartment in New York city, with the overpopulation and shortage of housing. Basic history of tenements are well described in Wikipedia, but it doesn’t describe the current situation of tenements except the tenement museum part. Wikipedia also says tenements are not necessarily slums and By this time I don’t think any more people will choose to live in slums. According to this blog, I learned slum is not a thing anymore. Oh. I tried to look up tenement development over time, and at history.com, I found FDR's First House project, which included slum-clearing and building public housing. I looked up a New York public housing site and it seemed like a good replacement for tenements.  So I can credit government efforts to replace nano-apartment and this reasonably explains why it is not popular, even in populous cities. There are options to choose other than a nano-apartment. It is important to point out that there is no necessity, distinctive from just preference. In Korea, I have another interpretation. It is true Industrial development was recent, starting from the 60s. But that brought urbanization late, too. When my mom was young, she lived in a detached house in Gangnam-gu, now the most populous and expensive
2nim
1. I think the nano spaces you describe kind of exist, but they tend to be called "pods" or "capsules". They seem to emerge where people without family commitments place an exorbitantly high value on living in a particular location for long enough. Places like podshare SF come to mind as examples. 2. Having lived in a micro-apartment (400 sq ft) for a year during my first job out of school, and having stayed in capsule hotels while traveling, I have 2 personal speculations about why it takes extreme pressure to get people to consider pods desirable: * Lack of third space in the US. Having friends involves spending time with them, and spending time in person with multiple friends is impractical in a micro space and impossible in a nano one. Some countries and cultures seem to have different norms around the third space from those in the US, so nano spaces would function differently in say Tokyo Japan compared to say rural Iowa. * Privacy expectations. I think many people have a certain baseline expectation of privacy, in terms of both how much space and time they want the privacy in and how private they want it, which is incompatible with nano or pod style accommodations long term. I suspect that increased prevalence of time-shared, "public" private spaces with the right features and price points could increase how many people are able to build a lifestyle with enough privacy for their needs in a nano style living space. Examples of these "public" private spaces include hotel rooms, karaoke booths, float tanks or private meditation rooms, parks which allow sufficient distance from others, well-appointed bathrooms, and similar.
2TAG
Why no nano apartments *where Part of what you are talking about sounds like bedsits, and part like foyers.which exist in some places.
[-]matto80

Hello all!

I've been lurking LW and SCC on and off since about 2013, when I stumbled upon the sequences. I got sucked back in and became a daily visitor since the pandemic began. I also started listening to the Bayesian Conspiracy podcast and finally read HPMOR and realized that this (LW) is the crowd of people I'd love to hang out with.

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[-]Mary Chernyshenko60

I'm learning to drive and I'd love to read articles on a game theoretical approach to traffic. I don't mean the "pirates be pirates" approach, but the "here's what the rules say, and here's what people often do, and the actual driver in a similar situation should keep in mind both these things, because the guy in the other lane counts on him knowing them (and they both know people sometimes break rules)". I think it rather odd that I can't remember such articles, but maybe it's because I didn't pay attention to them.

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[-]brianianday40

Mabuhay! My name is Brian, 34, born and raised in Manila, Philippines, and currently living in San Francisco, California. 

How did I get here-here? I fell down a rabbit hole. ;)

If you looked at my [insert name of time-eating mainstream internet video platform] history, you'd find countless videos on science, philosophy, art, music, writing, and self-development (along with cheerleading, musicals, fitness, and walking tours of my hometown in Manila). I also have a small collection of books on topics like language, ethics, aesthetics, literary theory, et... (read more)

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[-]Siddhartha Gautama30

I'm Brian.  I'm 27 years of age.  I work as a lawyer in Ireland but am looking to pivot into a career that is: 1) higher impact from an EA perspective; and 2) more intellectually engaging through proactive and longer-term, bigger picture thinking vis a vis the reactive, short-term nature of life as a lawyer. 

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[-]MondSemmel30

I think I've found another small Less Wrong bug:

  • I wanted to tag this post with the "Health" tag, but while tagging it with any other tag was possible, trying to use this tag bugged out, i.e. the action timed out or something, and the tag wasn't applied.
  • The "Health" tag is not listed on the Concepts Portal tag page.
  • Using Less Wrong's search functionality to search for Health shows this:
  • And that Health link leads to this page (the URL contains a "health-1" for some reason), which causes a 404 error.

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3habryka
Oh, I bet we deleted the health tag, but didn't properly delete it from our search index. Will remove it from the search index.
3Pattern
Why was the health tag deleted?
2habryka
We had a bit of discussion in the tagger Slack about it. It mostly felt like it was better captured by some more specific tags, and it ended up without many posts in it after existing for multiple weeks. A lot of stuff was better captured by well-being, or longevity, or productivity, and then what was left didn't seem above critical mass for having its own tag, though totally plausible we should have one if we get more health-related posts on the site (or if someone wants to put in the effort to actually find all of them and curate them, in which case people should feel free to create one again). 
[-]GeneSmith30

Anyone have ideas about how to protect oneself against the higher-than-average inflation we'll likely experience in the next couple of years? I have a fair bit of cash and a fair bit of low-interest debt and I'm wondering if there are any easy no-brainer moves I could make to reduce my expected losses to inflation.

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5gilch
The obvious inflation hedges are gold and Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities (TIPS). Less obvious ones include other precious metals, cryptocurrency, emerging market stocks, and certain foreign currencies. Diversification is usually helpful. Why, exactly, are you expecting more inflation? Some of these might be better or worse investments, depending on your forecasts. For example, while EM stocks do relatively better when inflation is high, they also do best when growth is also high, and tend to perform poorly when growth is low, even if inflation is high.
[-]ChaseG30

Anyone have tips for calculating someone’s risk of death from COVID? I want to take age, smoking status, gender and pre-existing conditions into account. Thinking about flying my in-laws over here to get vaccinated and wondering whether it’s worth the cost. They are in a country with zero vaccine access.

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3ChaseG
Found a calculator: https://covid19risktools.com:8443/riskcalculator
[-]Hans R20

Hello there, just saw this. I'm Hans, a 22-year-old Software Engineer. I've been reading cursory here for a while, but to be perfectly honest, I have no clue how I stumbled upon it. This page is bookmarked since January, a time at which I was working on my Bachelor's Thesis, so I reckon I found it after taking one to many (or perhaps the exact right amount of) tangents while researching. Another hypothesis has just formed in my mind since gwern wrote about the Libera channel lower, and I faintly remember stumbling upon Libera at the same time. (Not as a ta... (read more)

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[-]Mitchell_Porter20

Was there a recent post, where some expert claimed that deep learning can't deal with ... some kind of discreteness? 

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2Mitchell_Porter
Turns out it was a post at Steve Hsu's blog about Francois Chollet. 
[-]Alexei20

My cryptocurrency quant hedge fund is looking to hire engineers. If you're curious, PM me. :)

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[-]GeneSmith10

Anyone have reading recommendations for fiction or even just a summary description of what a positive future with AI looks like? I've been trying to decide what to work on for the rest of my career. I really want to work on genetics, but worry that, like every other field, it's basically going to become irrelevant since AI will do everything in the future.

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2habryka
I literally 2 minutes ago created the June Open thread for this year and pinned that one. So if I were you I would probably repost this there instead of here:  https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/QTyMwaezwDiYoyAop/open-and-welcome-thread-june-2021 
[-]philip_b*10

Is Ziz, the author of https://sinceriously.fyi/, a blog about saving the humanity from unfriendly AI, hating on MIRI and CFAR, and gender, banned on LessWrong? If yes, why and is it for reasons similar to [the ban of ialdabaoth][https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/uwBKaeQzsvkcErmBm/ialdabaoth-is-banned)? If he reasons are similar , then why was there no site-wide announcement like with ialdabaoth?

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4habryka
We once gave them a temporary ban. I think it's pretty likely we would ban them permanently if it came up, but it hasn't since then. 
5niplav
Out of interest, is there a public registry of bans? I assume not all bans are announced as in the case of ialdabaoth?
5habryka
We have the moderation dashboard, but I guess that doesn't have global bans. I think basically all global bans for users with more than 100 karma are announced globally. We do ban a lot of spammers and weird crackpots, which I don't think are listed anywhere. 
5Ben Pace
We have a list of bans and warnings here, though I'm not sure it's up to date. It certainly doesn't include all the bans of spam accounts and new user accounts.
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