[MAJOR UPDATE: I have changed "Woo" to "Pitch" everywhere on the website and on this post due to extensive feedback from everyone. Thanks!]
I'm adding rhetorical-device/common-argument/argument-fallacy tags to the expert quotes on TakeOnIt and calling them "pitches".
The list of pitches so far is here.
Arguments have common patterns. The most notorious of these are rhetorical devices and argument fallacies. While these techniques are obviously not new and are published on several sites on the internet, they are woefully under appreciated by most people. I contend that this is partly because:
- Argument fallacies and rhetorical devices can be too general. Most of their real-world usage occurs in a larger number of specialized forms. These specialized forms are often unlabeled yet are intuitively recognized and prey on our cognitive biases. It takes a lot of cognitive energy to consciously connect the general form(s) to the specialized form.
- The sites about argument fallacies and rhetorical devices are not integrated with debate sites. A google for argument fallacies will give you pages with stagnant lists of fallacies where each one has perhaps a couple of historical or hypothetical applications of the fallacy. Why can't I see every debate where some expert or influential person used that fallacy, and why can't I see every fallacy used in a debate?
To solve these problems, I'm introducing the concept of a "pitch". Any quote from an expert or influential person on TakeOnIt can now be tagged with a pitch. A pitch is a label for a commonly used argument or strategy to persuade. You can think of pitches as the "tv tropes of argumentation". Here's some examples:
"The Consensus Pitch"
"The Patriot Pitch"
"The Convert Pitch"
Pitches encompass both argument fallacies and rhetorical devices. However, they allow for greater specialization. For example, there is the "The Evil Corporation Pitch". On a more minor note, I personally think the names should be simple and ideally guessable from the name alone (e.g. maybe it's just me, but "Post hoc ergo propter hoc" feels like it has some Web 2.0 marketing issues).
Eliezer's "Conversation Halters" and Robin Hanson's "Contrarian Excuses" are good candidates for pitches. (My impression is the "halters" and "excuses" listed are perhaps too specialized for pitches, but in any case at minimum provide fertile material for pitches.)
I only implemented this feature over the last few days and before developing the concept further I'd like to get some feedback.
Maintaining a Neutral Point of View (NPOV) is very important. The related concept is No Original Research (NOR). To express your contention in Wikipedia terms, you're concerned that choosing "persuasion pattern labels" violates NOR, which in turn violates NPOV.
My thoughts:
Annotations are precisely that; they're purely suggestions about the meaning of the quotes. They don't actually alter the quotes, so the downside is bounded. To make a strange thought experiment, consider what would happen if the Chinese Government purely inserted tags on web content, rather than filtered web content. It's not as damaging. You could perhaps even argue it could be less biased than purely unfiltered content, because it would expose the Chinese Government's agenda.
Selecting "persuasion pattern labels" is within the acceptable bounds of NOR. Most of the labels have very specific meanings. The important question is whether a decent sized community can reach consensus on the assigning of labels. Let's take the Less Wrong community. I would expect in most cases we'd rapidly reach consensus. Sure, there would be vigorous debate at times, but that's no different than for Wikipedia. There's always going to be people who will cry NPOV foul; that's unavoidable. They can make the Conservopedia version of TakeOnIt and have all the tags have a religious focus rather than a logical one.
There needs to be guidelines for Persuasion Pattern Labels. The existing set of labels reek of the brainstorming phase. Some will be removed and I've obviously gone overboard with pejorative language. When these are cleaned up, I doubt there will be a serious issue with anyone labeling the Singularity with the "Religious" label. Sure, there will be a few poorly chosen labels, but so long as there's many more well chosen than poorly chosen labels, it's worth labeling.
P.S. Some people have suggested the term "pitch" instead of "woo". This certainly seems to solve some of the complaints people have had about the name.
"Pitch" is much better. I had no idea what the "woo" link meant when I first saw it.