I'm putting this through discussion because I’ve never written a main section post before… If you have helpful criticism please comment with it, and if it does well I’ll post it in the main section when I get back from school tomorrow.
Things between the bars are intended to be in the final post, the rest are comments
There’s lots of things which can end the world. There’s even more things which can help improve or save the world. Having more people working more effectively on these things will make the world progress and improve faster, or better fight existential risks, respectively.
And yet for all of my intention to help do those things, I haven’t gotten a single other person to do it as well. Convincing someone else to work towards something is like devoting another lifetime to it, or doubling your efforts. And you only need to convince them once.
So there’s two things I want to learn how to do:
- Convince people to try and save the world
- Convince people to use more effective methodologies (especially with regards to world-saving)
I think that the rationalist community as a whole isn’t particularly good at doing these. Small efforts are made by individuals, but I think that most of the people who do try to do these run into the same problems.
I propose that we do more to centralize and document the solutions to these problems in order for our individual efforts to be more effective. This thread is for people who encounter problems and solutions for convincing other people.
- I think that the activity of convincing people to try and save the world and using more effective methodologies should have a word or phrase. Suggestions?
- Should it just be a thread? I feel like some of the particularly good comments would make good independent posts. Just link to the post version from in the thread?
- I’m a bit worried that this sounds a bit culty… If you disagree please mention, and if you agree please tell me why.
- This is a bit prompted by Alicorn's post , and some things which have recently happened in my life.
This isn't in itself culty -- but it is the cult attractor that's causing your problems, in a roundabout way.
When we hear people talking about some proposition, we normally either throw it out entirely or tentatively integrate its consequences into our thinking, modulo considerations of status and so forth. Normally higher-impact propositions assume higher priority in our thinking: a perfect stranger shouting "My God, the office is on fire!" takes higher priority than a friend telling you your shoelace is untied.
The memetic ecosystem we live in does contain cults and similar predators, though, which are best recognized (almost defined) by wildly overvaluing their core values. That translates into communication as what might be described as great vehemence. Very high-impact propositions, therefore, carry strong if unconscious connotations of MIND-KILLER STAY AWAY STAY AWAY; after some inflection point, they'll start getting discarded often enough that the priority effects are overtaken.
This isn't just theory. We're all constantly bombarded with exhortations to save the world, and for people who are not domain experts or highly skilled rational thinkers there's no good way to differentiate reliable world-saving imperatives from unreliable ones. The obvious priority-preserving move is to make sympathetic noises and refuse to update -- which indeed turns out to be the polite, socially expected response. If you don't want that to happen, expressing your views in terms of saving the world is strongly contraindicated.
So I guess the "save the world" part should get dropped then. Entirely.
Upon further reflection, it seems like a lot of people are already trying to do that (biomedical research, environmental causes, various anti-poverty charities, etc).
So now the question is "How do you teach rationality to people in a way that helps them do what they're doing in a no-strings attached way such that they actually use the information to improve". People still do whatever they were choosing to do, just more effectively.
Would that work better?