I'm putting this through discussion because I’ve never written a main section post before… If you have helpful criticism please comment with it, and if it does well I’ll post it in the main section when I get back from school tomorrow.
Things between the bars are intended to be in the final post, the rest are comments
There’s lots of things which can end the world. There’s even more things which can help improve or save the world. Having more people working more effectively on these things will make the world progress and improve faster, or better fight existential risks, respectively.
And yet for all of my intention to help do those things, I haven’t gotten a single other person to do it as well. Convincing someone else to work towards something is like devoting another lifetime to it, or doubling your efforts. And you only need to convince them once.
So there’s two things I want to learn how to do:
- Convince people to try and save the world
- Convince people to use more effective methodologies (especially with regards to world-saving)
I think that the rationalist community as a whole isn’t particularly good at doing these. Small efforts are made by individuals, but I think that most of the people who do try to do these run into the same problems.
I propose that we do more to centralize and document the solutions to these problems in order for our individual efforts to be more effective. This thread is for people who encounter problems and solutions for convincing other people.
- I think that the activity of convincing people to try and save the world and using more effective methodologies should have a word or phrase. Suggestions?
- Should it just be a thread? I feel like some of the particularly good comments would make good independent posts. Just link to the post version from in the thread?
- I’m a bit worried that this sounds a bit culty… If you disagree please mention, and if you agree please tell me why.
- This is a bit prompted by Alicorn's post , and some things which have recently happened in my life.
My two cents about influencing people to work on a cause:
Usually, the most effective way to do so is to engage their emotions. Any discussion of existential risk implicitly engages people's fear, for example. That's a bit problematic in this case, since they'd be working within a community that tends to disparage signaling emotionalism. My guess is a happy medium is to engage people's emotions while signaling alliance to rationality. EY's "rationality dojo" posts are a good example of this, IMHO.
Causes may be general, but actions are specific. If I want to encourage action, therefore, I ought to be as specific as possible about what I want people to do. Often a useful combination is to raise a general problem and suggest a specific action people can perform to avoid it. It helps if the two are actually related in some way, though it's disappointingly unnecessary in many cases.
Convincing groups is even more effective than convincing individuals, since groups have a way of mutually reinforcing one another. Of course, groups also have a lot more inertia to overcome, for the same reasons.
You don't "only need to convince them once." Actual persistent behavior change is not usually a fire-and-forget thing; it's the result of continual effort. One reason so few people manage it is because we aren't willing to do the work.
It's generally considered bad form to talk about human operant conditioning, so I will point out the following ostensibly-irrelevant-to-humans fact about animal operant conditioning for no apparent reason whatsoever: it helps to reward compliant behavior and to not reward non-compliant behavior. (Actively punishing non-compliance has negative consequences in many cases, though.) Also, the more obviously the reward is connected to the behavior (for example, the closer they are in time, and the more reliably the latter entails the former, and the more reliably the absence of one entails the absence of the other), the stronger the conditioning effect.
Another ostensibly-irrelevant fact about animal behavior conditioning is that intermittent reward establishes conditioning that is harder to extinguish. This also allows for shaping -- once a pattern of behavior is established, reward only compliance that crosses a certain threshold.
I've miscommunicated in that most people think I have a particular cause in mind.
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