I hope you'll treat me fairly as a person and actually read and try to understand my comments instead of jumping to conclusions based on my "score".
Your best way to be taken seriously would be just to create a new account without making any reference to this one, and, well, not act like a troll.
Your work is wrong. To apply diagonal lemma the definition of phi must be a formula, since you write |- (which is not a formula in PA) I assume you meant it as shorthand for Godels Bew (which is), but you can't existentially quantify Bew like you did in line 3 of the definition.
"Your work is wrong" is an unfair characterization of presence of a minor technical inaccuracy.
Yes, I really mean phi to be a formula based on the provability predicate. The third line is really shorthand for
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where Sub is a function that replaces the first two free variables in the Gödelized formula with a and b. So we can quantify over a and b.
I suppose I should mention this in the post.
To save you some time: the standard response is "I'm being censored! You're an Eliezer-cult! All these downvotes are just because you're scared of the Truth!".
I never said anything like this and I never invoked Eleizer. I don't understand why you're telling me off for something I didn't do. Look at my post history if you don't trust me.
What you are doing is not fitting into the community norms of discussion, like research and linking/referring to specific sources
It only makes sense to do so when making a claim. Yet people on this site have...
One of the problems is that you say things like "I've been rational for years". Sorry. No, you haven't. EY hasn't been rational for years. You may have been an aspiring rationalist, but that's a far cry from actually being rational. When you say things like that it is extremely off-putting because it sounds self-congratulatory. That's something that this community struggles with a lot, and we typically heavily downvote things that are that way because they send very bad signals about what this website is. Beyond that, when it's said by someone wi...
Maybe some people dislike you and are downvoting all your comments because if was you who wrote them ("karmassassination"). But all of your comments are low-quality enough for downvotes, taken individually. People are not disproving you because you sound like a troll.
If you're not actually a troll, please lurk more, try to understand the norms around here, read up on the standard answers to everything you think of posting (e.g. look for other posts on cryonics here and Alcor's FAQ before you say cryo sucks), and find the most on-topic posts to co...
If you posted something not obnoxious, I'm inclined to believe the community would, in fact, upvote it.
15 comments and -120 karma? Okay, at this point I may begin immune response against trolling (delete further comments, possibly past comments, as and when I get around to seeing that they were made).
I also remind everyone: Please do not respond at length to trolls, attention stimulates their reward centers.
You didn't say anything explicitly wrong except vitrification can't work 100% yet, ice crystals are still formed. information-theoretic "death" may not have happened but the claim that recovery may be possible in the far future is a seriously dubious
What exactly is your argument here? Why do you think vitrification doesn't work, especially given you hadn't heard of it until a few minutes ago?
Are you now shifting your argument to 'yes, vitrification works to preserve everything, but we won't be clever enough to make any use of the preservation'?
It's a terrible idea to try to learn theorems by memorization, if all you want to do is pass math tests fine.. but if you want to understand mathematics it's definitely going to do more harm than good.
You don't learn things from flash cards, you fix things you have already learned into your memory. And memorizing the formulas encoding theorems is definitely helpful.
Yes, you can get up votes here if you don't think cryonics will work. You got down voted for rejecting it out of hand without doing any research.
if you don't want your beleifs questioned you're doing the right thing [by downvoting]
That is true; however the converse ("if you do want your beliefs questioned, you're doing the wrong thing") isn't.
I was going to say "Come on LW! Obvious troll is obvious." but then I remembered this recent post...
This person appears to take pleasure in being downvoted consdering how much it is happening. Moreover, they aren't curious as to what norms they're violating to receive so much downvoting indicating some awareness. Their username is automatically controversial, but it can't even be a plausibly effective advocacy account for 9/11 conspiracy beliefs because then they would be polite the other rhetorical dimensions, so as to appear likable and be mo...
there is no evidence of it ever being done successfully.
There is evidence that cryonics preserves brain structure to some extent, which, coupled with the fact that people are brains, constitutes Bayesian evidence that cryonics suspensions performed up to this point were successful (that is, information-theoretic death didn't happen). What you require as evidence in this case might be a clear-cut demonstration of a cryonics patient getting revived. However, if we already knew how to revive people we wouldn't bother with cryosuspension in the first place....
Freezing things makes water expand and burst the fragile parts of your brain.
Freezing canard: proof you have not read the cryonics literature. Instant downvote.
What you need to think about is what consequence any of this has to your life. The reality is, like the moon landing, it means absolutely nothing to the decisions you'll be making whether it's real or not. Like holocaust denial, the only reason people make one claim rather than another is to be seen as a certain type of person.
To me honestly it appears that the consequences of such beliefs are relevant. If the WTC went through a controlled demolition, this affects the standard view of what happened next, and should influence your beliefs on politics and...
Like holocaust denial, the only reason people make one claim rather than another is to be seen as a certain type of person.
That's true in the same sense that I don't stab people who cut in line because I don't want to be seen as a psychopath, and I don't say that 2+2=5 because I don't want to be seen as an idiot.
Make sure to wear your rationalist sneakers when you go!