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3Kindly
I'm not offering up a new definition of disease! I'm doing precisely the opposite. Look, maybe you're a perfect rational thinker already, but most people aren't like that. They do conflate a bunch of different questions into the "disease" label. If you impose a single fixed definition on everyone, and make sure they are all talking about the same thing... well, if it works, I don't actually know what would happen, but it won't work. You'll just be arguing about the definition of disease all day. The important point to make is that the people asking "is obesity a disease" don't actually want to know that. They want to answer some other question. It's simply irrelevant, most of the time, whether or not obesity satisfies the medical definition of disease, to do this. So why waste time establishing that your official definition of the disease is better than someone else's intuitive one? This just seems like an effort to try and frame the debate, so that people will address the real question "in light of your answer".

It isn't "mere contradiction". It is a looking at what the writer is doing rhetorically and questioning the root of his argument. Again his characteristics of disease have nothing to do with our medical understanding of disease. Disease means something rather specific in the medical profession, and just throwing up a bunch of characteristics based on nothing more than he writers intuition (and with no supporting evidence) is a horrible foundation for an argument.

Kindly170

Disease does mean something specific to doctors, but doctors aren't the only ones asking questions like "Is obesity really a disease?"

And when people ask that question, what matters to them isn't really whether obesity matches the dictionary definition. In practice, it does boil down to trying to figure out whether the obesity should be treated medically, and whether obese people deserve sympathy. (On occasion, another question that is asked is "Does the condition need to be 'fixed' at all?")

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2fubarobfusco
Ah. I had assumed you were expressing curiosity, not merely contradiction. My mistake. Sorry about that.

Most of, if not all of them have nothing to do with what disease is. He is creating a definition wholecloth through his characteristics.

disease /dis·ease/ (dĭ-zēz´) any deviation from or interruption of the normal structure or function of any body part, organ, or system that is manifested by a characteristic set of symptoms and signs and whose etiology, pathology, and prognosis may be known or unknown.

8fubarobfusco
Ah. I think you are looking for something different in definitions than Yvain is getting at here. Have you read the linked posts "Disguised Queries", "The Cluster Structure of Thingspace", and "Words as Hidden Inferences"? These might explain some of the difference.

The disease characteristics is where this essay breaks down. Those don't really line up with any medical definition of disease. Seems like he redefines disease in order to deconstruct it a bit.

5beoShaffer
It does however, fit with (my impressions of) the way people use the word in real life, which is far more relevant to the point of this article.
2fubarobfusco
Could you be more specific? Which characteristics do you dispute, and which other ones would you propose?